Watching Pandas Grow
Posted at 3:59 pm October 16, 2009 by Anastasia Horning
Our newest cub in capable keeper hands
Su Lin was the first baby panda I was able to watch from start to present day, and I think there will always be a special place in my heart for that funny little girl. Sometimes I still can’t believe that she’s already of breeding age and will someday go to China to join her siblings in the breeding program. Zhen Zhen still has that baby bear fluff to her, but she has been practicing scent marking, and I catch myself in shock that she’s already at that stage.
Our keepers here at the San Diego Zoo have been thrilled with each experience and know what to expect on a grand scale, but there are still those cases where a little bear will surprise them. Especially our new little boy: he has been growing so fast! Bai Yun has never given us a reason to worry, and we are all so excited to see our newest member begin those first few steps.
Just recently, Bai Yun was given access to her larger garden room so she has a chance to leave the cub for a few minutes to get a break and have some time for herself (all you moms know what that’s like). She’s still close enough to hear her cub in case he calls. As for the cub, he’s eating and sleeping most of the day away.
Often we panda narrators get questions from guests who come through the panda viewing line: “Why would Mom leave him inside” “Why aren’t Mom and cub given access to the public?” “Why do we have to wait until December or January to see him?” We want all of you to know that everything we are doing paves the way for Bai Yun and her cub to have a smooth transition into the public eye, and nothing we are doing is really out of the ordinary.
For many species of bear, the female gives birth during hibernation, the cub nurses for those first few months, taking the stored-up fat from her milk. The cubs would first emerge from their den in the spring and would be a few months old. Giant pandas don’t hibernate, but the cubs still need those first few months in the den for security. Giving Bai Yun access to her sun and garden rooms gives her a place to eat as much as she wants away from the cub but still close enough to hear what’s going on. She does bring the baby into her sun room and either holds him while she eats or gently lays him next to her. All of this is part of Bai Yun’s natural behavior, and we do have our researchers watching and recording.
Thanks for watching Panda Cam, and thanks for sharing these experiences with us!
Anastasia Horning is a panda narrator at the San Diego Zoo.
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October 16th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I just love this baby panda so much! The Panda Cam is too addicting.
October 16th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
The exam videos are just wonderful, beautifully edited to show details and make us feel like we are right there with you. It’s way too late for me to change professions, but I am curious about what training the assistants and handlers have, those who are not doctors. Other than being a pandaholic (like so many other posters here, I’m totally immersed in loving my first panda cub), what kind of training would someone need to work with the bears at the SDZ?
Moderator’s note: There’s lots of great info on our Web site regarding jobs working with animals. Start here…
October 16th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Fantastic Anastasia. We have so many new watchers that this should ease their minds. The San Diego Zoo prides themselves on doing what the animals want and that is the way is should be. We are priveledged to be able to share the life cycle of the pandas under your dedicated watchful eyes and we learn so much from these postings. Thank you again one and all.
October 16th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
I cannot explain how much I love watching the baby panda, and mom and baby together. It is not the first time I have fallen in love. Tai Shon at the Washington zoo was my first baby to adore. Then came the baby at Zoo Atlanta last year. He is one now and still so cute. I did get to see him in person at 8 mo. old. Now your baby. I can’t wait to learn what his name will be. (I had him pegged as a boy from Day One. ha) Thank you for the Panda Cam and all the info you provide. I just keep on lovin it. Neita Colin
October 16th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Hi Anastasia, Thanks for the update and information. I am curious to know if you all get any help from us watching and writing on this blog. I am hearing so many great things from the posters that know what I don’t know and see what I don’t see. It’s so much fun. I have explored many sites recomended by all of you and now I too want to be a staffer with you and your buds. My son is a veterinarian and he is watching now also. When he was interning at Lowry Park Zoo I was able to go “backstage” with the crew and meet all the animals, I miss that alot so this has been great for me. We didn’t have any Pandas but we did have them at Busch Gardens for a year. I could have watched them for ever.
Thanks to all of you for the fun, I know you can’t wait to get to work every morning.
me
October 16th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Thank you so very much Anastasia! All of you at the SDZ are wonderful!! Thank you so very much for the information you provide and the amazing opporitunity for the general public to share this rare and extraordinary experience!
October 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Does Bai Yun or any of the other adult pandas get to interact and play with each other?
Moderator’s note: Not at our Zoo.
October 16th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Anastasia, as always, thank you very much for sharing your experiences with these precious creatures. Just like you, Su is my “very first baby panda.” I still can’t believe that she is going to leave us soon. Each time I see ZZ, I wish I can hug her:-). She is soooooooo adorable. Bai’s 5th (can’t wait to see him crawling) though steal my heart from the time he was born. He is also my first: the very first one I watched on cam everyday of his life:-). I’ve been a part of “pandaholics” because of him and my friends think I am beyond nuts because I fill their e-mail inboxes with his postcards:-).
SDZ…YOU ARE THE BEST!!! Of course, so does Wild Animal Park:-).
October 16th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
How can I choose a Chinese name if I don’t speak Chinese? Is there a website?
Moderator’s note: Several of our readers have suggested helpful sites in the comments section of the Panda Cub: Name Game post.
October 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
He is so big and beautiful
October 16th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Thank you so much for educating us and keeping us informed! This is my first baby panda and I love the experience…he has grown so much right before our eyes…thanks to the Panda Cam! I look forward to watching the baby grow and getting all the upates. Bai Yun is such a wonderful mother! You all are doing a wonderful job!
October 16th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Baby boy is so adorable!! He is always looking so cute and big!! I whould love to have a picture of him
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He is a beautiful boy.
October 16th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
9pm EDT my time watching pandacam, and I just caught Bai taking little panda boy out the den! Looks like they will be out under the stars again tonite! How long? Who knows, except Bai!
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
October 16th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I can’t wait til Gao Jr. at the publics eye…I am gonna take a vaca just for him : )
October 16th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I must agree that watching the Pandas is addicting. I come home form work every day and the first thing I do is check the Panda cam. I’ve been watching the Pandas ever since Hau Mei was born and I have four different Panda cams in my bookmarks. If I had it to do all over again, I would be working with the Pandas! They are one of the most beautiful animals on Earth! I can’t wait to find out what the little guys’ name will be.
October 16th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
I’ve noticed that all the videos of the exams are 1:52 minutes long. I was wondering how long are the actual exams from when he enters wrapped so sweetly in the blue blankie to when he is whisked away back to Mama. I know the timeframe depends, but just an average time. We all wish the videos could be longer.
Moderator’s note: I believe the actual exam is about 5 minutes or so, unless Bai Yun wants him back sooner.
October 16th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Thanks Anastasia for the info. I am sure the moderator is getting a bit tired of all us worriers each time Bai or the cubbie seem to be different. I, along with everyone else who blogs I am sure have utmost faith in the staff at SDZ to take great care of all the panda’s. I guess everyone like myself who is new to this are kind of like first time moms and worry about everything! I have followed cubbie since day 1 and I am amazed at how humanlike Bai cares for her baby. You all do such a great job there and I hope all your efforts there and in China truly help to get these beautiful animals out of endangered status some day. I put in a name meaning hope and we do hope he can help keep the gene pole going and make a bunch more babies! Kudos to all of you there!!!!
October 16th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Adoreable and precious……………just adoreable and precious. What more can you say about this little chubby bundle of joy…..takes me back to when ZZ was born and look at her now……..such a beautiful young lady she is……thank you again SDZ and Anastasia for sharing…..my heart is breaking because Su Lin will be leaving, I will miss her so very very much……….
October 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
“My son is a veterinarian and he is watching now also. When he was interning at Lowry Park Zoo I was able to go “backstage” with the crew and meet all the animals, I miss that alot so this has been great for me.”
Lowry Park! SDZ just got an animal from Lowry Park! Did your son work with any elephant patients? When a herd of 11 elephants were brought to America from Swaziland, 7 went to San Diego Zoo’s Wild Animal Park and another 4 went to Lowry Park. Now 1 of those Lowry Park elephants, Msholo, has moved to the WAP! You and your son may want to chime in, with your inside info, on the blog posts here about elephants: http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/category/default/elephants/
October 16th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Thanks for the update!
I’ve enjoyed watching Su Lin, ZZ, and our chubby boy grow up. I am enchanted with pandas for life!
October 16th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Thank you so much for all of the information. I’m new at this and any information that you post is so helpful. I think Bai Yun is a wonderful mother. I love to watch her feed cubbie and then watch them sleep together, it is almost like a human does with her baby. I lease that is how I was with my babies. Thanks again.
October 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Why does mom only seem to take our boy out of the birthing den at night time? I have watched the pandacam for about 3-4 weeks and already addicted. And still learning about these great bears,,, love this site and the blog!
October 16th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Zhen Zhen was my first panda love. I was introduced to her via one of the online news outlets as just a stick of butter. I have watched her grow and I will always love her as a first child. I have grown to know and love ZZ’s siblings. I thought as I watched Cubbie 5 grow that he was absolutely the biggest, brightest, and lovliest cubbie of all. But, Because of our awesome Panda Team and Moderators’ stats on the five cubbies, Mr. No. 5 is just in line with his adorable siblings. A little longer here, a little heavier here, or a little rounder there. I find that He is just an adorable son of the much beloved parents: Gao Gao and Bai Yun
October 16th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
To #2 Page,
Thanks for asking that. I have been wondering very long already and really interested to know about it.
To #9 Lorraine,
You can even google it – “Chinese names for boy”
To moderator,
Thanks for sharing such a joyous experience of watching pandas growth with us. I really feel happy for all of you who had put your effort in taking care of the babypandas! I even felt the joy of watching pandas grow just by reading your post and watching the pandacam! Thank you for updating us and educating us about the growth of panda. Thank you for all these facilities that help more of us to be more aware and value the animals, especially panda which faces extinction now. You all could touch lives with your hard work in taking care of the animals there. Keep it up!
October 16th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Again more insights on the Lil’ Bruiser Fluff Ball….As my wife is in the Hospital again the comments and daily updates are helping her thru her Degenerative Bone Joint Disease and it’s complications….We have visited SDZ since Lin Lin was playing her role as tree frog and really enjoyed the Mother’s Day Snow Day when Lin Lin had her first fun day in the snow….Couple that with ZZ Top the Humming Panda and Gao Gao and Bai Yun ,and now the new heart throb kid “Bruiser” it has always been a high light of our trips to Southern California for Doctor’s Consultations and Surgery we can’t wait to visit SDZ hopefully before our darling Lin Lin leaves for China…..Keep up the great work as the more people that fall in love with the baby the easier it will be to protect all wild life on the planet as the precious gift they all are…Many Thanks to all of you involved at SDZ and Animal Park and keep up the great informative work….
October 16th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
# 7 -Savanna – Several of the other zoos allow their male & female pandas to play together – NZ’s Mei Xiang & Tian Tian grew up together in China & also after being moved to the NZ are often seen eating bamboo side by side in the am. Tian can be a play mate until Mei Xiang has had enough & gives Tian a swat & he runs away
Mei Xiang is in charge)
ZA pandas LunLun & YangYang also grew up together so ZA is also studying when their pandas may be ready to mate
- so as Bai & Gao have no interest in each other for more than a day or so when Bai is in esrtus a year they have produced 4 cubs the “natural way”
There has been a lot of study of our pandas & their mating & why it was successful
October 17th, 2009 at 12:09 am
#25 Dennis & Lynn, I was wondering who ‘Lin Lin’ was? I think you mean ‘Su Lin’! I like ZZ Top the Humming Panda.
Thank you Anastasia, it’s always nice to read up on our favourite Pandas. I must admit I too have been wondering if there is a reason why Bai doesn’t take Little One out during the day. I am assuming it’s because, even though she knows he is safe here at SDZ, in the wild it would be too dangerous? Also, maybe a little too warm?
A little while ago Bai was having one of those frantic house cleaning half-hours. Maybe one of her friends phoned and wants to come round, like now, when the house is in a total mess!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 12:19 am
He is so cute and he is growing and looking good and his mom is so good to him
October 17th, 2009 at 1:04 am
Hi Mark,
I did learn 2 things about elephants. Did you know that the pink elepants tale is from them rolling in the mud down south and when it dries, it looks pink.
The other thing I learned is the reason that elepants are afraid of mice is that mice try and sometimes succede to run up the trunk. This sad fact is the elephants can suficate due to a good fat mouse; now, i try to keep an open mind as my son is always pulling my leg, so take this with a grain of salt.
Now back to our Panda, I have fallen in love with him, he is my first and I will never forget him as my first baby.
me
October 17th, 2009 at 2:18 am
A wonderful article again, Anastasia. Thank you so much. I continue to be fascinated not only by the SDZ staff posts but also the inquisitive, informative, and entertaining posts from all over. The work done at SDZ and the Chinese breeding center is priceless, and we appreciate being so informed about what goes on and what the thinking is behind the various decisions you must make. His Royal Chubbiness, as I call him, is getting that locomotion thing going! Looks like Bai Yun took him out of the den for an evening under the stars. More power to all of you!
October 17th, 2009 at 2:30 am
Oh, just checked again and they’re back in the den. Bai Yun does seem to do quite a bit of wandering in the middle of the night! Has this been her pattern of activity with her prior cubs? I’m kind of an “upside-down day” person myself, for some reason, sleeping a good bit of the day and then up all night. Do pandas in the wild sleep through the night? Or do they eat, sleep, and wander 24/7? Just wondering!
Moderator’s note: Your question has been forwarded to our Panda Team.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:47 am
I watched the video as the cub got his distemper shot. What other vaccines will he be given and how often? Will the cub get heartworm medication? I love watching the panda cam. This little boy has grown so fast! Can’t believe he is already 8 pounds. I love it when he ’squeaks’ during his exams. He is spoiled rotten and will keep mom on her toes once he starts walking. Does the cub have ‘temper tantrums’ if mom doesn’t come running every time he cries??
Moderator’s note: Your questions have been forwarded to our Panda Team.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:27 am
I love watching the baby & mom. She is a great mom and our boy is beautiful.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:52 am
I love how he is always wrapped in a blue blanket. How sweet! I wish that I could cuddle with him and just look at his cute little face.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Thanks, Anastasia, for a great update on how it is to work on the inside with the pandas. This boy sure is growing as evidenced by how big he is in the hands of the keepers lucky enough to be on duty when he is brought in for his weekly exam. I bet Dr. Pye was really impressed by how much he has grown since he examined him at his first exam and confirmed that he was a boy. I loved the gentle tummy and back massaging that they gave him during his exam. Sort of reminded him of Bai Yun’s not so gently overall body wash and rub multiple times a day. No wonder he was sleepy. I am guessing that she nursed him just prior to the exam so he was a willing and sleepy participant. He didn’t seem to mind the caliper as much this time. He wasn’t crazy about showing off his teeth though. I notice that everyone wears gowns and gloves around him. I presume that this is for the good of both pandas and humans. Either could give germs to the other, and wearing gowns prevents human scents from being attached to the cubs. Bai is also accustomed to human scents from a distance from her daily protected contact for training, feeding, etc. I imagine it is great enrichment for all humans associated with the pandas to experience the differences in personalities and physical traits between the pandas, especially the adults, cubs, and sub-adults.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Most of the Panda Bloggers are female. Is it our maternal instincts? Babies touch our hearts.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:08 am
My biggest compliments and thanks to you, Anastasia, and to all of the wonderful loving, caring staff at the SDZ.I can’t get enough of watching the cams that you offer and not only that, but you are all so good at giving us complete details of Bai Yun and her newest cubbie.He is just the most handsome little guy ever.Your web site is the best and I have learned so much and have decided to come to the zoo and am going to donate what ever I can at that time.The videos are just awesome too!!Again,thank-you for being so wonderful.Watching over the internet cam is something that I do every day and the bond with Bai Yun and her little guy is so human-like that it is a beautiful thing to watch.Have a great day!Janet-Phoenix,Arizona
October 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
All of these web cams are addictiing..but what a neat, clean, free,nonharmful ‘habit’ to have!:)
October 17th, 2009 at 10:49 am
10:47am. This is the first time I’ve seen Bai Yun go into the den, wake him from his nap and gather up little man and take him outside. Very Cool.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
A while ago i saw Bai Yun pull her baby boy out with her!! oh he is just so cute!!
October 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I was watching the cam a little bit ago and saw mama grab mellow fellow and take him outside for a few seconds and then right back in the den. Any reason why she does this for just a few seconds? Just curious.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Well “Happy Sweetest Day” my fellow Panda People, SDZers, Keepers! (I am SO jealous of you!) and our dear,dear Moderator
Isn’t our precious little Panda Prince even cuter? I can just see him with a tiny crown on his head in some of those pics…hahaha! And when that little pink tongue comes out, it is a total “Awwww!” moment. Thanks as always for the wonderful job you folks do at the Zoo and for allowing us this gateway into such a special and heartwarming world.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:36 am
I guess that in the absence of palm-trees you can use bamboo to create a day under the palm-trees!! Bai Yun makes me laugh so much sometimes….
October 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Moderator a question. Since Bamboo is one of the fastest growing trees I was wondering where SDZ gets their supply from? Are there any Bamboo farms on the west coast or is it imported?
Moderator’s note: We grow it on Zoo and Wild Animal Park grounds and have a dedicated bamboo gardener: the pandas’ personal “chef.” Here’s more info about our bamboo program.
October 17th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
On Smithsonian Channel right now they are showing Panda in the wild…..
October 17th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
It is wise for us to realize that everything that SDZ does with the pandas has to be more their protection and not just for show to us. I want to see the baby too but I know we all want it to be done the right way and that is pretty much Bai’s way. When she is ready to show her baby to the world in the flesh then SDZ will know that as well. I believe that Bai knows she is special and loved. She feels secure to a degree and that comes from the way SDZ takes care of her and her cubs. It has to be right for her.
She spends a lot more time away from the cub now than before but she is never really far away. Just like any parent she needs some down time to relax and just enjoy her food.
Do you think that China will ever have a breeding program that allows panda adults and cubs to stay where they are? I know that we don’t necessarily have the facilities but could we actually do that if China agreed? I suppose part of the problem is the need to ship over pandas to be bred since we’re all trying to keep them diverse genetically. That is why our cubs are so important and I assume the same goes for those in other states and countries. We keep our cubs with their moms whereas China almost has an orphanage type program where they take them from their mothers very early. I think our cubs are far better raised because they stay with their mother but China is trying to breed as many as possible in order to save them. We’re all for more pandas but the question is whether they will be able to achieve tht goal.
For now though we have our baby and he is so cute with his baby steps. Those back legs don’t want to help him much but he is doing very nicely.
October 17th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Ok I know someone there at one time or another has actually taste tested Bamboo. It sounds crispy in the youtube videos, and so I see Pandas peal the outside, and eat the middle. Is it like celery, or like sugar cane? It looks good and now I want celery and peanut butter. Love and thanks to all and our Pandas for hours of entertainment and learning.
October 17th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Thanks Anastasia, that was really informal. Like some of the other posters prior, Su-Lin was my first cub, and I still cannot believe how big she is, and that she will be leaving us to go back to China, I will always love my little Su-Lin, I helped pick her name too, I hope we will hear how she is doing over there, like we do her brother and sister. Then there is sweet little ZZ, another one who is growing up fast. I am glad we have this little guy to watch to help us when we have to let the others go.
Great job all of you keepers, and our wonderful Mommy Bai Yun.
October 17th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Lainie #39, Britney #40, Laura #41 – what you saw was Bai Yun taking to cub to her beloved Garden Room (the room Anastasia mentioned)! I believe this is the first time that we’ve seen her take him to that particular room on the PandaCam. How exciting, the cub’s world is expanding!
For those of you that missed it, there is a YouTube video by DoxieMom. Search for “Bai and BaiBy Visit the Garden Room”.
Thank you Anastasia for a walk down memory lane as each of Bai’s cubs have made their lasting impact on the Zoo as well as us pandaholics!
October 17th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Danielle #43–me too.
October 17th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
# 41 Laura from Il., I saw that too. And then she brought her cub back in the den, brought plenty of bamboo inside, move it around several times, took it out again. If she was trying to awake her cub’s attention or teach him something, it didn’t seem to work. Our mellow fellow seems to have just sleeping on his mind…
Seeing Bai Yun moving the bamboo around, reminded me of Su Lin decorating skills, she probably inherited that from her mom… For those of you new on the blog, there was a post “Decorating Diva, Version 4.0″ posted on June 19, 2009.
October 17th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
#36 – Marie Bensch – the majority of bloggers here may be women but I had to fight to with my hubby for my turn to watch the panda cam
The NZ tried to hurry Tai Shan’s outdoor excursions (as they a huge media day planned & wanted to show Tai of to the public)- one day they put him on a pile of hay right outside the den door – Mei came back, took a quick look (we could see her saying) Oh, no you don’t & dragged him back in the den – it was too funny
October 17th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Earlier today I caught a screen cap that looks for all the world like Bai Yun is blowing zerberts on baby’s tummy. Of course, this brings up the question that since bears really do not have proper lips, can bears actually blow a zerbert? Inquiring minds want to know!
I posted the picture on my Facebook page.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Hi Fellow Pandaholics,
Some of you were having difficulty getting a copy of a picture David Perry was nice enough to post. He caught Bai Yun balancing her baby on all four paws. I have a similar picture from when she was giving him a “twirly ride”. For those of you who couldn’t get David’s, maybe you can get this one. It’s not the best, but she was spinning him, so it was hard to catch clearly.
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6546/baibabytwirlyride.jpg
What do you think of Tian Ran for our little munchkin?
It means easygoing, undisturbed, unhurried.
I keep thinking of his last exam when he seemed to take everything in stride as if he understood the “blue pandas” are there to help and love him.
Someone mentioned that baby seems to have a “birthmark”. They said Bai and baby both seemed to have a similar black mark on their hind quarters. I noticed a little black spot on the munchkin’s tail today when he was napping on his back. Is this what they were talking about? Does Bai have the same spot?
October 17th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I see Bai took Plumpers outside today and the Panda Cam captured all the exciting action! Great job Panda Cam operator!
October 17th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Claudia #47 I had bamboo shoots at a Chinese restaurant (guess why I chose that soup?) and the best I can say is that it tasted like asparagus! Of course, it may have been herbs & spices & everything else it was cooked with that made it taste that way……….It was very good soup, though!
October 17th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
It’s 7 p.m. and the most adoreable sight on the cam. Bai is sleeping on her back with babyboy on her chest. Soooooooooo adoreable……….
October 17th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Hi Moderator,
Our little man seems to be sleeping an awful lot today. I wasn’t concerned because I know they need their sleep in order to grow and his recent maneuverings seem to leave him exhausted. However, Bai just came in and attempted to wake him. When he wouldn’t wake, she bathed him completely. He still didn’t wake. She waited a few minutes and then left. Is that o.k.? Is he just a really sound sleeper? Is there anything to worry about?
Moderator’s note: I haven’t heard any news to the contrary.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I would think the cub would be more active at this age……today he is sleeping more than usual. Wtih his eyes open wouldn’t he want to try to move more and discover things?
Even when his mother moves him around, he seems to be sound asleep. I tend to worry easily.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Just caught Bai Yun walk in to check on baby,and then leave.A cute moment
Mommy checking on her baby,and go outside.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Good Night little baby boy, good night Bai Yun, goodnight pandafans! Sleep well all
October 17th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
I watched little cubbie the other night, laying on his back, with this back legs doing what looked like calisthenics. He looked like he was riding a bicycle. He was exercising those legs, like I have never seen him do before. (I believe it was Wednesday or Thursday morning at around 00:40 PST.) It was absolutely hilarious. He was really giving those legs a work-out. As usual for little cubbie, he took a good nap after all that exercise.
Just as in the womb, the fetus develops from the top down. When born, as in a human child; their upper body movements are developing first and their lower limb strength comes last. I’ve seen cubbie taking a few of those forward steps to crawling, so it won’t be long now. He seems determined to exercise those rear legs, so he can soon venture out of the den on his own. He tried today a couple of times and Bai picked him up and pulled him back into the den. Bai is smart; she knows her son is going to be hard to keep up with, VERY soon.
Thank you Anastasia (beautiful name by the way) for a very informative article. I can tell through your writing, that you are very much in love and in awe of these wonderous creatures, just as we are. Many thanks for filling us in on some details, that we “new” Panda baby watchers, are still learning about. I, too, admit that I am now a “Pandaholic.”
Ever since Panda cubbie #5 has arrived, I need to hire a housekeeper to catch up on the housework that I have been neglecting. Watching what may be Bai Yun’s last cub, is too important to miss. The “dust-bunny’s” under my bed can wait. They certainly are not “endangered.”
Thanks again to everyone at SDZ. You all are top-notch all way….
October 17th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Carolyn #53–by now you must know that Bai Yun can do just about anything–if she wants to blow zerberts (I’m assuming that’s like razzberries) on cubbie’s tummy, I’m sure she has figured out a way to do it.
Phyllis #58 and Jeslyn #59–when cubbie is awake and hungry, he nurses heartily, so I think he’s sleeping and digesting and growing. He was really sleepy during his last exam, so it looks to me as if his need to sleep supersedes his need to do anything else (except eat and be adorable) just now. Even with his eyes open, he probably can’t see very far. When he starts walking, I think he’ll be a lot more active.
I think that birthmark people are asking about is actually a spot on the camera.
Cubbie does have a cute little black spot on his tail, though.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Dear, helpful Panda Team, what do the pandas smell like? I see Bai goes outside to do her bathroom duties and licks Bruiser clean, but other than that, are they smelly? Like big dogs? Do they get bear-breath like dogs since they don’t have someone to brush their teeth? Of course, I don’t have any bear smells to compare it to, and I’m sure whatever they smell like is attractive to bears… or maybe not, since they stay solitary in the wild (just kidding).
Moderator’s note: Your question will be forwarded to our Panda Team.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Every time I look at the cubbie I swear he gets cuter!! Is that possible?
Thanks for all the information that you give us all the time. This is by far the best blog for panda information.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Every time I pass my comp is another “awwww” moment, so many of them. I agree with everyone, Bai is the greatest mom and baby chubby is just so darn adorable. My favorite moments are when the little guy is awake and mom goes out and I think, aha, time for the great escape and he scoots along and then blam, mom comes in and rolls him over, then he gets to the entrance and just lays there looking around. Also love the way mom and chubby cuddle when sleeping. Oh, I could go on and on, but you all know what I am talking about. Soon, chubby will be out the door and mom will really have her hands full, can’t wait for that! Back to Panda Cam so everyone have a great day and thank you so very much moderators for the many shots of the other Panda’s and information you provide. You are by far the best!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Dear Overworked Moderator,
I have started writing this three times, I don’t know how to ask my question without sounding insulting. I KNOW our beautiful pandas are getting the BEST care at the SDZ; so PLEASE don’t misunderstand my question. Is there anyone watching Bai and baby continuously or are there regular “check-in” viewings? Being a newbie, I tend to worry when I see something that seems strange to me. Like yesterday, when our little man just WOULD NOT wake up no matter what Bai did. I kept telling myself that if anything was wrong, Bai would have shown signs of distress. But, I really needed to ask if everything was o.k. You were kind enough to reply that you hadn’t heard of anything being wrong, and I thank you, but I (and others like me) wouldn’t worry so much and bombard you with questions if I knew for SURE that someone at the zoo was seeing what I was seeing. Like everyone else, I love the little guy and Bai as well. I know what to expect with human babies, but I’m just learning about panda babies. Thank you from my heart for understanding.
Moderator’s note: Keepers and other staff check in on the cub throughout the day and night. If they had any cause for alarm regarding the cub’s health, our vets, who are on call 24/7, would be summoned immediately. And remember, our cub is getting weekly veterinary exams as well. I hope this helps to ease your mind, Phyllis.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Good Morning Panda Friends,
I sent myself a postcard yesterday of our baby sitting up “all by himself” in the den while mommy Bai looked on. He looks so tiny! I think it is adorable and worth sharing. Hope you all agree!:-) Here’s the link (I’m new at this so please let me know if it doesn’t work)—
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9098/babysitsup.jpg
Enjoy!!!:-)
October 18th, 2009 at 7:23 am
Did a keeper go into the den to remove the big branches of bamboo when the camera was on Su Lin this morning? It seems that Bai Yun is bringing a lot of bamboo in the den. At one point our mellow fellow had a branch on his back, he was trying to move and the branch was moving with him. After that Bai Yun brought even more bamboo. At one point I couldn’t see what was going on; there was so much bamboo in the den. It was around 6:30 SDZ time. I was relieved when the cam was zoomed in; at least I knew an adult was in the building… I also wish we could ask Bai Yun why she does certain things… But I trust her; she is such a good mom.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:07 am
It seems like Xi Lan was sleeping a lot at this stage last year. Last year, the ZA updates made frequent mention of the large amount of sleeping that panda cubs do as they’re growing. On top of all that, the cub is so dazzling that his energy must be replenished frequently by deep sleep and panda dreams.
He’s so cute when he’s sleeping with his upturned lips in a peaceful, contented “smile.”
October 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am
I’ve forgotten to thank the SDZ’s videographer and photographer for the great job they do to document the important moments of not only the panda family, but all of the beautiful animals at the zoo. They not only record the event, but also capture the essence of the animals’ personalities and reveal all of their best and most interesting physical characteristics so we get to enjoy gorgeous photos and videos. Thank you!
Moderator’s note: Your compliments will be forwarded to our outstanding photographer and videographer.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I think I saw him trying or crawling just awhile ago. He put his front right paw up ad pulled himself along then he put his left paw out. This is so video cam addicting. It’s the first one I put on and watch in the morning before doing anything else and the last one I look at before going to bed. I just love this!
October 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I see ZZ is having an episode. She is now at the top of her tree. Lovely to see her having fun. Little one has exhausted himself playing with Mum and has fallen asleep.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Sunday afternoon. A letter from Zhen Zhen to El Cinco de Bai-o:
Dear Little Brother,
Hi! I’m your big sister Zhen Zhen! You have other big sisters and brothers too, but I digress.
Now that you can see and hear a little, you’ve probably noticed a few things. First, you’ve probably seen how big Mom is. Mom is big. Mom is REALLY big! She has big paws and a really big nose and a big tongue too. That’s what she cleans you up with after meals and when she gives you those extra special cleanings after exams. And by now, you’ve probably realized that when mom wants to give you a bath, you’re going to get a bath, no matter what!
When you get a little bit bigger, you’ll get to know the nose really well. It’s what will be below the eyes that she will look at you with when you’re trying to sneak out of the den. Someday soon you’ll be able to walk and then you can hide from her and climb trees and stuff and then the fun will really begin!
Until then, enjoy the den and the whirly games and the milk! Mom has great milk. You should drink the milk and keep growing, and someday you’ll be a GIANT panda, too, instead of a baby panda, which is what you are now!
I’ve got a new toy today, so I’m going to go play with it! And then I’ll go way up in the trees and shake the branches! And then I’ll zoom around and zoom around and zoom around and then maybe I’ll take a nap.
xoxoxo–
Your big sister,
Zhen Zhen!
October 18th, 2009 at 11:36 am
What a treat!!! The camera was focused on Zhen Zhen as she scampered around her enclosure and pounced on the enrichment toy. I didn’t know that pandas ever got that “frisky.” She certainly seemed to be having fun. It will be wonderful when we get to see Chubby playing like that!
October 18th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Frances in NYC,
I really appreciate the fact that the more experienced pandaholics are there ready to reassure us newbies. Again, a very heartfelt thank-you for your kindness.:-) I think you will really like this picture–
Thank you for your input. I wasn’t concerned about the quantity of sleep our little one needs right now. I agree, all of his recent activities along with his growing requires a great deal of sleep. What was worrying me was that it seemed like he wouldn’t wake up when Bai was trying everything. I’ve been watching this morning and he seems back to normal. I guess he was just sleeping VERY soundly, as only a baby can!
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9098/babysitsup.jpg
Dear Moderator,
You are terrific!! I can not explain how MUCH better I feel because of your response. As always, thank you for your untiring patience with us newbies. Between you and the more experienced pandaholics, I am learning a great deal, which truly enriches the whole experience. If you go to the above link, you will see a picture of our baby sitting up “like a big boy” in the den, while Bai looked on. I watched him push himself up into this position all by himself, without any help. I got so thrilled, I cried out:-)
On another note…this is the first time I am having the pleasure of watching ZZ. Boy, is she a little pistol!!!;-) Talk about energy, she moves like a speeding bullet. And she is obviously fearless, she just climbed as high in a tree as the camera would show, and then “bounced” in the branches. She is adorable, she’ll be walking and then she somersaults just for the fun of it. What a cutie!! Is she too big at two for the keepers to hug? Now I understand when other pandaholics talk about what a handful she was for Bai when she was a baby. I can only imagine.:-)
October 18th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Your camera people are fast! Zhen Zhen was racing around her exhibit, and the cam was whizzing along with her! Good job! I am so happy that the little dude is getting a name soon!!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I was just wondering how Gao Gao is? I miss his lovely face and never-ending bamboo chomping!!
October 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
#64 Just my persepective on panda smells but unlike most zoo animal enclosures the panda yards even with the pandas outside do not have much of a animal smell at at like you would have in front of say elephants. There is ‘no stink’ even if your are standing where they doddlebug right in front of you. Of course I could be biased when it comes to these magical creatures.
October 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I have been away and am so pleased to see how big the baby has gotten! Very sweet and gorgeous and it is apparent that he has an excellent mother (and excellent keepers as well). Thanks so much San Diego Zoo for all the information, education and live cam.
October 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Baby cub on the cam laying down on his side and smelling that nice pile of fresh bamboo that his mom brought into the den. Now he’s thinking, “Hey, Mom, what is this big pile in our room? It smells different than the other smells around here!” Looks like Mom has brought her lunch inside the den to eat it there. I’ve seen her do that a couple of other times before on the cam.
Bummed out because my favorite football team didn’t win today! YUK!!! Oh well, watching baby panda will settle my day!
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
October 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
#31 – Christie in San Diego – don’t know about pandas in the wild but the NZ cams are on 24/7 & while I watching Tai as a baby I was surprised how active the pandas were in the middle of some nights. I thought they slept but one night Tian was on a tear around his enclosure
#67 – Phyllis – please try to stop worrying – he is fine – just growing & using a lot of energy trying to walk – it just poops him out. (notice how tired he was during this last exam) This is the 5th cub I’ve watched & they all sleep a lot Somehow pandas have the ability to sleep through almost anything – as “His Royal Plumpness” gets older you’ll see how he haunts poor momma Bai as she sleeps – she’s an expert at continuing to sleep
And thanks for the picture – I missed that moment 
October 18th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Wow! Guess WHO got to go outside this afternoon! It’s 2:40PM Pacific Time and Bai has decided that Cubbie can visit the sunroom!!!! By Himself!!!! Can ‘walk-abouts’ be in the near future? Only Momma Bai knows for sure
October 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
How did the little one get outside? Did Bai Yun leave him there or did he crawl there? Anyone know?
Moderator’s note: Bai Yun brought him out to the sun room.
October 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
This is my first baby panda watch, and I couldn’t be more addicted, bewitched and astounded that our little babushka is growing up so quickly! Thank you so much for the panda cam, and the other cams as well, and for your informative updates. I especially gobble up the exams because I can hear baby. I wish the panda cam had sound too! I hope to one day visit the San Diego Zoo knowing that I saw baby grow from little pink sticky squiggling form to the baby he is today!
October 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I am so addicted to the Panda Cam. I really appreciate the SDZ for allowing us to watch the miracle of Baby Panda 24/7.
Bai Yun is such a loving, nurturing, wonderful mother. I enjoy watching her early morning routine – she wakes at about 6 AM, wakes her very sleepy baby to feed him, goes outside to get some bamboo, comes back in to munch and watch her baby.
Question for the moderator: I notice that Baby is outside of the birthing den (sleeping, of course
) – is he actually in open air, or is the area he is sleeping in enclosed? Thanks.
Moderator’s note: Bai Yun took the cub to the sun room today. It has a semi-open roof to allow for some fresh air and sunshine.
October 18th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Panda smells. Ah yes. Last year when I was in Ya’an (BiFengXia) the rains came down and the pandas got wet and dirty. The little one that sat on my lap smelled really yukky (but don’t ask like what yukky). This year in Ya’an it was dry and when I did the sniff test on An An, not a smell to inhale. So if the panda is wet and dirty, yah, it smells. If not, not a sniff. By the way, the poop doesn’t smell very much either in dry weather.
Bamboo. I tasted bamboo bread both trips. Last year it was ground fine into flour, at least in the temporary quarters where Hua Mei and Mei Sheng were living. Tried it again in June and the fine ground bamboo was now more coarse and I sure spit it out quickly. It was tasteless. Pandas didn’t seem to mind.
To all the newbies. We understand your concerns. Pandas don’t normally sleep like us humans. You can catch them sleeping at any hour; you can catch them awake at any hour. My suspicion is that empty tummy drives activity more than the clock. And, of course, they don’t eat like us humans. They eat whenever tummy says its time to eat. Junior is doing just fine and to me seems very precocious. Don’t remember the others actually getting their back legs under their plump “little” tummies this early in their development or even sitting up. More milestones to investigate.
Thanks SDZ and my fellow pandaholics. We’re a grand bunch and a joy to be a part of.
October 18th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Phyllis – thank you for sharing the photo of baby sitting up. I watch him so much, but haven’t seen him sit up on his own. I love to watch Bai and Baby snuggling while they sleep.
October 18th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
The cub made it out of the den, but he looks exhausted!
October 18th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
OK, Feel better now. Bai-Yun is back with little guy. I just felt bad for him laying so long by himself. Bai-Yun just picked him up and is loving him like she always does. I love her as much as I love him! Such a good mama bear!
October 18th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Frances in NYC
LOVED your letter from Zhen Zhen, especially since today was the first time I saw her in action. Man, is she fast!! She really is a cutie, I can understand why she has such a large following herself.
Maureen in Stanwood, MI
Thanks for sharing your experience with me Maureen. It’s because of people like you and our incredible Moderator, that I do feel much more relaxed. I just needed to be reassured that people were frequently peeking in on him. I guess I probably sounded silly but I’ll calm down. It really is amazing that they can sleep that soundly. Thanks for the “heads-up” and letting me know that Bai Yun sometimes sleeps that sound too.
You are very welcome for the picture. He just looked so incredibly cute when he pushed himself up without any help from Bai. I was very pleased to see he had the strength in his spine to do so. What a handsome, strong baby we have!!! I’m so proud of him, I can imagine what Bai would say if she could talk!!
We are so lucky to be able to share in this experience. Pandas are truly beautiful creatures and their behaviors are so similar to humans it amazes me.
Where are Bai and Baby now? It is about 4:15 pm in SD and they are in some kind of enclosure. Which room is this?
Dear Camera/Video People
Thank you for the outstanding job you are doing giving us all these gorgeous pictures and videos of our beautiful panda family. Without you all, I would never be able to have this experience. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Please give yourselves an enormous hug!!
October 18th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Oh look, momma picked baby up and has him laying across her neck, upper chest area, and they are both asleep, the way they end up sometimes….she looks pretty dang comfortable on her back with her legs up against the wall. another kodak moment! It must be much cooler outside the nursery and they are enjoying the nice cool air…I hope everyone is catching this, baby looks right at home upon momma….xox
October 18th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Bai is outside snuggling Baby as they sleep. I just love being able to watch them interact.
October 18th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Christie, #37 – I agree with Maureen, #82 — I think I have read here some time ago, that giant pandas (at least in zoos) have the same cycle around the clock: Eat 3-4 hours, then sleep 3-4 hours, with of course in the case of the young ones, some playtime in between. The 24/7 cam at NZ supports this, as you can see them eating at times throughout the night.
Phyllis, thanks for the picture of little guy sitting up. After watching all five of Bai Yun’s cubs, I think he is precocious. If he starts walking without the step of “swimming around in circles” he will really be something!
October 18th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Phyllis#76-I’m not sure which day (panda watching is every day, all day anyway, but it may have been the same day you were speaking of, I was really freaking out, baby would not wake up for anything, no matter what momma was doing. I thought he was, well, I won’t say, but was imagining all kinds of things, and got distraught thinking oh gawd, what will Bai do if…? but we both have to stop thinking this way, it’s called “obsession” I believe! Pretty hard not to, however…I hope you were watching the 2 outside the nursery, baby can sleep through almost anything, he probably doesn’t even notice there’s no bamboo under him….another thing I COULD worry about, but I have to tell myself to “snap out of it!” sometimes.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
#83 – Bobbie Wood – yep “His Royal Plumpiness was in the sunroom (by himself) for quite a while
I watched on time lapse to see how he got there & briefly saw Bai drag him out of the den ( a keeper popped up to watch) & then she left him alone for quite a while. As I kept checking back I finally saw a HUGE pile of bamboo being moved in to the sunroom – all I could see was the cub laying by himself right outside the den door & a pile of waving bamboo – I figure that was momma eating 
To those who worry about cubbie sleeping so much check with both the NZ & ZA updates about their cubbies sleeping
When Tai Shan was born the staff at the NZ provided us with daily minute to minute updates about the cub & mom – when he nursed & for how long – you can go back & read these fun updates at the NZ website – if you figure the cub (at this age) may spend a total of 3 hours nursing & maybe an hour total of exercise – moving legs, trying to roll over, trying to walk, putting up with mom & her cleaning the cub is exhausted
October 18th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
sooooooooooo cute can’t stand it..i wanna hold him so bad that would be my wish list..is there a program in SDZ that you can hold and play w/ the panda? just like in China but they charge $250
Moderator’s note: The San Diego Zoo does not offer that.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Thanks, Phyllis #91–that’s why some people just call her “Zoomie” although it’s usually Su Lin that we see daredeviling up in the trees. Maybe it’s an age-driven thing and now we’ll see Miss ZZ testing the branches more now?
October 18th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Mary from Brooklyn,
Boy, are you lucky!!! You actually got to hold one of these little sweethearts!:-) Thanks for sharing, you seem very knowledgeable. Are you involved with pandas professionally, or have you just been a fan for a long time? Isn’t the picture of him sitting up adorable? He looks so tiny and round. I felt very blessed that I got to see him do it, he did it rather quickly too.
Dear Moderator,
One question before I call it a day. At 2 years old, can the keepers still go in with Zhen Zhen? Up to what age will they allow someone to hold/hug a panda?
Well friends, it’s time for me to say goodbye. I wish you all a peaceful night. Love, hugs, and kisses to our beautiful pandas:-)!
Moderator’s note: Keepers do go in with the cubs up to a year; by then, a yearling panda can be very rambunctious and those teeth and claws, even in play mode, could hurt a human.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
I was wondering, since these Panda cams are becoming more and more famous, if there could be a set up on the website where we could choose who to watch, and just go to Zhen Zhen cam or Gao Gao cam… I would love to go check on them while Mr. Chubby is sleeping for hours on end. Is it technically impossible?
Moderator’s note: It’s possible, but would be very costly to us.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Yay So cute Thank you ZOO
October 19th, 2009 at 5:24 am
kat Wilson,
I’m pretty sure we are talking about the same day, it is the only time I saw our little one sleep SO soundly. Thanks to our wonderful moderator and understanding pandaholic friends, I won’t worry any more (and hopefully you won’t either) because apparently it is normal for pandas to sleep through anything. Our friend Maureen in Stanwood, MI says to be prepared to see Bai Yun sleep like that when the munchkin gets old enough to be a nudge. We will learn more and then it will be easier to relax. I’m sure everyone understands we are newbies who ADORE this little guy and his mommy:-)!!
Dear Moderator,
I think I know the answers but I need to ask. Do the daddies have any role in the cub’s childhood? If the cub picked up the scent of the dad, would there be any recognition? When the cub becomes an adult, would the dad recognize it as his offspring? Thanks
Sorry, one more–I’m just thinking out loud. Would there be any problems involved if someone used the pictures from this site to create something to sell in order to raise money for the pandas? I’m not sure I could do it but I’ve got a few ideas. First I want to know if there would be any issues I’m unaware of. Thanks again:-)
Our little one must have been dreaming about walking this morning. While sleeping on his tummy, he repeatedly pulled alternate hind legs under his belly. The effect this had was, I had the pleasure of watching his cute little round butt do a “rumba”!! Sooo cute:-)
I love the fact that you can tell the pandas apart. Su Lin is tough though, she really does look a lot like her mommy Bai Yun. I’ve been trying to catch her on cam to see if there are tell-tale signs in her behavior.
Moderator’s note: Father pandas do not have any role in raising their offspring. Remember, one adult male has the potential to father several cubs during the breeding season. It would be hard for him to go from den to den to help out
If you’d like to help raise money for panda conservation, we have a unique way to do just that: our Animal SOS program. Please check it out.
October 19th, 2009 at 6:00 am
What is the NZ??
Moderator’s note: It’s the National Zoo in Washington, D.C.
October 19th, 2009 at 6:03 am
I love the baby picture above and saved it. I know it’s small, but just got to have it.
I am overwhelmed with the cuteness by this mommy and baby pair; they look so adorable in their sleep. Come to think of it, they look so adorable when they eat, they look so adorable just about anything and everything they do (or not do). I am possessed.
October 19th, 2009 at 6:39 am
to phyllis #76and kat wilson#95 you both expressed so well my shared fears about the sleeping cub i even convinced myself to not tune in to whats going on as frequently out of fear something was wrong i feel better knowing i’m not the only overly concerned one
October 19th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Can you tell me when the baby panda will be on display to the public – I’m thinking of making a trip to San Diego in the new year.
Moderator’s note: Can’t say for sure, but Mei Sheng, Su Lin, and Zhen Zhen made their public debuts in mid-December.
October 19th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Moderator,
I have a rather delicate question to ask. I notice that Bai Yun cleans his touchie the same way dogs and cats do with their babies. Dogs and cats have to do this in order to make the babies eliminate. As you stated above, most bears are born when their mother is hibernating. I understand that the babies can nurse without mother’s help but, how can they eliminate with out mother’s help??
Moderator’s note: Your question will be forwarded to our Panda Team.
October 19th, 2009 at 8:14 am
just wanted to add being a concerned”auntie”is tough work
October 19th, 2009 at 8:14 am
For those of you who are stressing to the point of near collapse over the care of Bai Yun’s little cub, there is something YOU CAN DO to help ease the tension! At the top of the screen right above the search box it says “ShopZoo.” Go there and click on “Panda Shop,” then “Stuffed Pandas” where you have many choices of inexpensive little giant pandas from which to choose. I got two a couple of years ago, one with Mom and cub, and another really floppy one about a foot long of a baby giant panda. You will be able to take care of this little guy right in your own home! You can even wrap your arms around him and snuggle till you fall asleep. If you need comforting (maybe you have the flu), you can have your cub right by your side! Besides the giant pandas, there are many other critters to choose from!
Moderator’s note: Here’s the direct link to our Shopzoo’s panda shop.
October 19th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Frances, # 74, love the letter from ZZ to El cinco de Bai’o. I can just imagine what she would have to tell little brother about the upcoming year and a half. She know all of this very well, as she was a very active and inquisitive cub. She is still a very active sub-adult, exalting in everything she does, and continuing her adventures high and low.
Thanks Meerkats for all the great photography and especially the close-ups. You are the best!!!!
Guess it is nearing time for cubbie’s outdoor debut with mom, since she is taking him out into the Sun Room during the daytime. His eyes are now open enough for him to appreciate his surroundings. It is really amazing how Bai’s instincts dictate exactly the right timing for each move she makes of her cubs.
I will always remember the day early in ZZ’s debut on exhibit that Bai kept pulling her out of the tree she was trying to climb and putting her on the ground and then chasing her around the exhibit. I never did figure out, or read about, why Bai was so intent on ZZ being on the ground. She had been climbing the same tree for a couple of days/weeks so it wasn’t a new experience. It seemed odd at the time, but I am certain that Bai had a reason why she didn’t want ZZ in that tree. Perhaps it needed pruning, or had just received pruning, and she was concerned about it on that particular day. The following day she did nothing to stop ZZ from climbing as usual, and she had a great nap in her favorite tree. Oh the memories come flooding back when I think about the big milestones this cub is about to reach and the fun he will have when he learns to climb. ZZ was/is amazing to watch in her explorations and discoveries. He will be just as fun, even if he has a more mellow temperment.
October 19th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Margaret #110 – The reason Bai kept pulling Zhen Zhen out of the tree was because she used to climb up too high for Mom and the staff’s liking. I have a postcard of the “collar” that staff put on the tree limb to try and stop her from going so high. The picture is so cute as is shows Zhen on TOP of the collar. It only took her 1 day to figure out how to get over it. She is one smart cookie.
The blog about this is dated early February 2008
October 19th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Dear Moderator,
Good point about the dads, I chuckled at the thought of them having to make “den-calls”!
Also, thanks, I will look into what an SOS page is.
104 AC in NYC
What picture are you referring to? I don’t know if you mean the one I posted, or if I missed something.
107 Marie
Good question Marie! I can’t wait to read the answer.
Hee Hee! Does anyone remember when guys would drop to the floor and spin on their heads, buck on their bellies, and all sorts of weird dance moves while crossing the floor? Baby is in the middle of his own version of one of these routines:-) He just woke up and he is squirming in a way like I’ve never seen. It’s hilarious!!! He just stopped, rolled onto his belly breathing a little harder from the exertion, and drifted right back to sleep. I think he just gave every part of his little body a work-out. Baby Boy, what was THAT about?? Love you, little one
, sleep well.
October 19th, 2009 at 10:54 am
you can tell the keepers are proud as punch with their new baby. He is simply adorable. I can’t wait to see him this spring.
October 19th, 2009 at 11:03 am
I found the blog. It’s the second paragraph that’s about Zhen Zhen.
Undeniably Siblings!
Posted at 4:19 pm February 7, 2008 by Ellie Rosenbaum
October 19th, 2009 at 11:07 am
“Phyllis says:
October 18th, 2009 at 7:01 am
“Dear Overworked Moderator,
“I have started writing this three times, I don’t know how to ask my question without sounding insulting. I KNOW our beautiful pandas are getting the BEST care at the SDZ; so PLEASE don’t misunderstand my question. Is there anyone watching Bai and baby continuously or are there regular “check-in” viewings? Being a newbie, I tend to worry when I see something that seems strange to me. Like yesterday, when our little man just WOULD NOT wake up no matter what Bai did. I kept telling myself that if anything was wrong, Bai would have shown signs of distress. But, I really needed to ask if everything was o.k. You were kind enough to reply that you hadn’t heard of anything being wrong, and I thank you, but I (and others like me) wouldn’t worry so much and bombard you with questions if I knew for SURE that someone at the zoo was seeing what I was seeing. Like everyone else, I love the little guy and Bai as well. I know what to expect with human babies, but I’m just learning about panda babies. Thank you from my heart for understanding.
“Moderator’s note: Keepers and other staff check in on the cub throughout the day and night. If they had any cause for alarm regarding the cub’s health, our vets, who are on call 24/7, would be summoned immediately. And remember, our cub is getting weekly veterinary exams as well. I hope this helps to ease your mind, Phyllis.”
That’s a good question and a good answer. Maybe some of this info could be added under the video on the panda cam page, to reassure new viewers?
Something similar was done on the elephant cam page after several blog posts on elephants got comments from people concerned about those non-elephant animals that keep showing up in the African elephant yard and that big floating thing that keeps showing up above it. The webmasters added some info about wild mule deer and the Balloon Safari ride to the elephant cam page! This is just a suggestion, not a demand and not something I’d say must be added immediately (no pressure!).
Moderator’s note: Good suggestion for the Panda Cam page, Mark. I’ll see what I can do!
October 19th, 2009 at 11:08 am
“Does anyone remember when guys would drop to the floor and spin on their heads, buck on their bellies, and all sorts of weird dance moves while crossing the floor? Baby is in the middle of his own version of one of these routines:-)”
Some people still do that (it’s called breakdancing), and have competitions for which breakdancing teams do it best!
October 19th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Lilarose #109: Great Idea
I have one of those really soft fluffy pandas from the SDZ shop on a perch in my bedroom….and..yes, I have snuggled with this panda at bedtime 
I originally thought I’d purchase 3 for young grandchildren and decided I needed to have one as well 
To Marie #!07: Yes, momma pandas do assist their babies in the elimination behaviors. I can remember an update written by the staff at ZooAtlanta in which the writter was thrilled to let us know that Mei Lan had done her ‘duty’ all on her own. I seem to rmember that Mei Lan was 5 months old at the time of the update.
October 19th, 2009 at 11:11 am
I’ve been watching Bai feed our chubby cubby, and it just always brings tears to my eyes. How is it possible for humans to love animals so much? And how is it possible for humans NOT to love all our wonderful animals? Anything so pure and innocent should be cherished.
October 19th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Checking in I got to see Bai Yun holding her baby boy and looking up at the camera
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9853/baiyunandbaby.jpg
October 19th, 2009 at 11:38 am
#112 Phyllis, I am talking about the picture on top of this page, “Our newest cub in capable keeper hands”.
The one you posted is priceless and I have saved it too. I missed the moment, he sat up all by his infant self. Thanks for capturing this, I am so proud of him.
October 19th, 2009 at 11:43 am
#74 Frances – HaHa! Thanx for the precious Zoomie mail
#102 Phyllis – I am thinking that Momma Bai would be proud to list you as Litte Man’s Godmother!
Ms Moderator – I have a question about scent recognition for our Pandas. Once learned, do they always remember a scent, even for things that are no longer familiar to them? For instance, if Momma Bai were to ever be reunited with her Mom, would she recall her scent?
And did anyone else notice that Litte Man was standing on his back legs while getting a drink about 11:15 pm SDZ time? Momma Bai had him braced against one leg and maybe it was just the angle of the camera, but I know I saw those lil legs standing straight up
Moderator’s note: Read the post More Questions Answered regarding your scent inquiry.
October 19th, 2009 at 11:50 am
I noticed that Mommy pushed her baby boy on his back toward some Bamboo, then she left Why?
October 19th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Phyllis #99 — I wish I were a professional, but just an amateur, long-time panda watcher. Hua Mei was my first and El Cinco is the 8th cub I’ve watched grow up in the US. I’ve been to China twice to volunteer at BiFengXia (BFX) and took care of Hua Mei and Mei Sheng for a day last year. This year I adopted Hua Mei’s latest. So to answer your question, just another panda-addicted nut.
I have to say, I really respect the way SDZ deals with their animals, trying to preserve a “natural” setting as much as possible. The folks at BFX and the Panda Breeding Centre allow the paid visitor interaction as fund raisers and keep the animals highly distracted while we have interacted with them. Apples, apples, apples, and bamboo shoots make very happy cubs playing with humans. These cubs will never released into the wild since they have had so much interaction, but I believe that once the bamboo forests are regenerated there are plans to reintroduce some female pandas to the wild. They may even be descendants of our very own US pandas.
The Chinese also separate cubs from mothers at or near the beginning of the new year, so that the mothers will be able to breed again in the spring. They are concerned about creating a self-sustaining captive population so that if the worst happens in the wild, the species can survive, if I remember correctly.
American zoos (and Vienna) have kept cubs with mothers to the end of the weaning process, which mimics conditions in the wild.
Moderator and panda team and anyone else, please feel free to correct me.
October 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
OMG I just looked at our baby!!! He is laying on his back with all four feet in the air.. anyone want to bet he is snoring!!!! How cute is that!!!
October 19th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Someone is a cutie! (As in the cubbie!) He is getting bigger by the day!!!! When are we going to see the top 5 names?
Moderator’s note: Didn’t you already ask me that in the previous post’s comment section? Hmmm…The name submission process is open through today. It will probably take a few days to narrow down the choices and have those name selections approved by China.
October 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
I wonder if Bai has plans today to make another excursion to the sun lounge with ‘Speedy’ – I think our ‘little big man’ enjoyed his day. He is just a laid back boy who will do things when he feels like it, similar to human male babies who often are not as fast on their feet as the girls! – Zhennie was all zoom as soon as she was able!
Maureen #82
thanks for giving our increasing number of panda cam viewers the info they need to know, I also have had the pleasure of 5 panda cubs and like human babies they are all little individuals. I could write more but would hate the spoil the exciting roller coaster ride they will experience in the forthcoming months.
Trying to getting things in perspective – was it not Mei Sheng who often decided he did not wish to ‘walk’ and mom Bai carried him on a ‘journey’ and deposited him on the grass? I feel certain you will remember the incident. Bai sat on the grass with Mei Sheng before returning him to his quarters.
Looking forward to the naming of this precious boy – not long to wait now, it appears more hands on than when we had to wait for the Chinese delegation to arrive for the naming of Hua Mei.
October 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Could this be true? A friend of mine told me last night that they make high quality stationary out of “pand poo” did I fall for a stupid joke or is this a fact?
Moderator’s note: It’s true! Our online store, ShopZoo.com, sells elephant and panda poo paper products!
October 19th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Does anyone know where I can get pictures of Bai Yun as a baby?
October 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
The cub on his back is so cute. On NZ’s cams, the cub’s Uncle Tian is splayed out on his back on the floor. The cub’s cousin Tai is dramatically draped across his rockwork, also on his back. Did they all stay up too late watching Sunday Night Football?
October 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Sharon #119–thanks for that picture–i just missed it when I tried to take it.
Little dude looks like he’s lugeing again.
Tiny #121–you’re welcome. (It also helps if you imagine that Zhen Zhen sounds a little bit like Lisa Simpson.)
October 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
For #127… I have a question.. WHOM was the first person cleaning out the poo.. that looked at it and said.. “Hmmm that looks like something I want to put my hand on and send a note” Now this person .. I WANT TO MEET! That is vision.. from Poo to paper! There is just not enough cleaning EVER possible that would allow me to use Puppy paper.. Granted pandas are cuter.. but.. poo is well POO!
October 19th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
#74. Frances: Loved your letter from big sister ZZ to our little cubbie! Made me laugh out loud especially the part about describing mom and how ‘big’ she is! I’ve often wondered what they think when they can first see and realize that mommy is so large and seeing those teethies coming for you to pick you up! I expect that the cubs being born with their eyes closed is really natures way of dealing with that issue. By the time they can see momma, they are already bonded with her so she doesn’t seem scary
October 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Cracks me up how little man just loves to sleep on his back ! =)
October 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Puppies all have puppy breath.. do panda have “puppy breath” most babies have this wonderful smell do baby panda’s, kaula, polar or other big animals?
October 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Great news and love hearing the day to day activities of the pandas and their keepers. Every time we get to hear about the pandas we learn a little more of the mystery bear.
October 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Hello — a couple of questions: Do the adult pandas grunt or bleat as they go about their daily business? If so, are these sounds random, or do the adults seem to communicate with one another in this way?
Also, are pandas at the top of the food chain in their natural habitat, or is there another predator of whom they must beware?
Thank you for your excellent work, and for taking the time to respond to my questions.
Moderator’s note: See a previous post, Say What?, for a great description of panda vocalizations, and Panda Cubs: Highly Motivated, for predator info.
October 19th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
To Tina, #135 — What a great question! I was recently asked about my favorite scents, and I put puppy and kitten tummy fur at the top of the list!
October 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Tina in SC [there] is an interesting web page regarding other uses for Panda Poo….toilet paper! I couldn’t resist so I googled it.
see if that works, for a good laugh
me
October 19th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
If you missed Zhen Zhen playing yesterday with her enrichment item, there is a YouTube video, search for “Zhen Zhen Zoom Zooms”. She is quite the entertainer, playing to the crowds of people!!
After yesterday’s journey to the sun room, today has seemed rather quiet for our little cub! Precious little guy can sleep anywhere, and in any position! So fun to watch him!
October 19th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Just looking at little Pudgy you really can see how much he has grown. He is taking over the den and when Bai and he are stretched out sleeping it is very close quarters! He is just so adorable! I look forward to him having an official name, no matter what it is. I made my submission, but I am sure whatever is picked will be wonderful and suit this darling treasure perfectly!
October 19th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I have been watching several cubs growing, but there are times when I still wish I would know what goes through the mommies’ heads… #126 Hazel, your story of Mei Sheng who often decided he did not wish to ‘walk’ and mom Bai Yun carried him on a ‘journey’, reminded me of Lun Lun and Xi Lan on one of his first day in front of his adoring public. It is hard to know what Lun Lun’s intentions were, but you can watch the video “Xi Lan – My Twip to Hell and Back!” on YouTube. For the sensitive hearts, may be reassured before starting to watch: it all ended well… Perhaps it was the panda’s version of taking the baby for a car ride to put the baby to sleep…
There was a similar event today when Bai Yun decided to bring a big peace of bamboo in the den, first put it on the cub, then moved it around several times, and each time bringing the cub on or next to it. I am still scratching my head trying to understand what Bai Yun’s purpose was with that… Someone in the blog wrote a while back that all she needed to know as a mother she learned it from the panda mothers. Well, perhaps it is a good thing that I was never a mother…
October 19th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
#139 Jayne O., thanks for the video alert, I had missed that episode yesterday. Miss ZZ looked like she was having fun out there. It is interesting that, so far, all of Gao Gao’s three cubs are not taking after their father as far as tree climbing is concerned, we will see how the new cub will develop…
October 19th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
The baby looks like it is trying to walk this afternoon. So cute and yes, it is addicting to watch him!
October 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Look at cubbie scooting around! HE IS A BIT “BOTTOM HEAVY” and has trouble getting that back end going. Also, I think he sees his reflection in the den wall or door to exam room and keeps heading that way perhaps he thinks it’s mommy.
October 19th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Hey everyone, El Cinco de Bai-o is crawling ! So darn cute !
October 19th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Sharon (119), what a wonderful picture, thank you for sharing!
I’d like to thank also all the pandafans who share informations and tips on this blog – Doxie
Mom’s videos on Youtube are really priceless. I don’t write comments very often myself because I often read the blog and comments afterwards.
As a seasoned panda cam watcher, I’d like to reassure the new comers who worry too much. Remember that Bai Yun and the Panda team have already brought to the world and successfully raised five healthy pandas. That said, worrying IS really a human feature and I was rather worried for this wonderful moderator. At some point, I feared that he/she could die for exhaustion at work!!!
) Anyway, you are very appreciated.
Finally, a big up for the Meerkats!
October 19th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
“Moderator’s note: Good suggestion for the Panda Cam page, Mark. I’ll see what I can do!”
Thanks, but the credit really belongs to you and the other web staff who already did the proof-of-concept on the Elephant Cam page!
“Checking in I got to see Bai Yun holding her baby boy and looking up at the camera
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9853/baiyunandbaby.jpg ”
Awesome pic, thanks!
October 19th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
To Tiny (121)
About scent recognition, there is also the post “Panda Perfume” dated 27th March, 2006 by Suzanne Hall. At the very end, there is an anecdote about Bai Yun that can’t help but bring tears to my eyes. Please make sure you are getting hold of a tissue and read this:
http//:blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/27/panda-perfume
October 19th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
If Bai Yun were to have twins, would one of them be taken away from her care? In China when Bai’s daughter had twins, did they remove one of them and raise it by hand even in the early days? Is it possible and/or known of a Giant Panda mother raising both cubs at the same time? Has anything been written on the SDZ blogs about twinning and how it is handled?
Moderator’s note: See posts More Questions Answered and Two Can Be Better than One and Pandas: Are Two better than One?.
October 19th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
#141 Danielle, the reason that Lun Lun was dragging Xi Lan around the log frame where the hammock usually was is that the keepers at ZA had taken it down, and Lun wanted to nurse her cub in the hammock. She was “telling” the keepers that she wanted her hammock back. Needless to say, the hammock was replaced by the next day. I have that video “My Twip to Hell and Back” favorited on my You Tube account. As well as being harrowing, it is also hilarious!
October 19th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
I never thought that a video clip of a couple of pandas would make me cry, but it did. I found a video on YouTube that was the last days of Bai Yun and Zhen Zhen together. It shows the little girl cuddling her mama in the sweetest way. Here’s my question: How long after weaning will Bai Yun be separated from little Chubby? It makes me all misty eyed just thinking about it.
Moderator’s note: Yikes! Let’s not talk about weaning yet. You can check blog post archives to read about how it was done with our previous cubs.
October 19th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
#126 Hazel – Seems I did read something recently on one of the blogs here that one of Bai’s cubs did want to leave the den – Bai would sit with her cub at the door for hours getting it used to being outside
One visit to the cam & I became panda addict 
It’s too bad that SDZ had already quietly produced 2 cubs with little fan fare 
It seemed Tai took the panda world by storm & then when SuLin was born the same year & we realized what the SDZ did & the “panda lover world “erupted & we get bigger with each cubbie born 
I missed both Hau Mei & Mei Sheng growing up – didn’t become a panda addict until Tai was born & read about their panda cam
#139 – Jayne O – thanks for the Miss ZZ video alert – too see her pounce up to the glass must have been a thrill for all those in line
but it is not for the faint of heart- seeing Miss Z swaying so high up on such small branches will cause more alarm for new panda watchers 
All our cubs have given us a few gray hairs at one time or another 
And yes if the SDZ thinks the tree ZZ was swaying in was unsafe they will have their gardening staff pruning branches immediately – in fact there have been several past blogs about “pruning limbs for SuLin” who seemed ready to drop out of her tree onto the visitors line one day 
Just enjoy “His Royal Plumpness” as he tries so hard to crawl & know that momma Bai is in charge – is she ready for “His Royal Plumpness” to crawl or not. If Bai needs more time for herself she will make sure the cubbie goes nowhere. For our newbies – this may seem mean – but once the cub is on the go Bai will need every ounce of energy she has to take care of him
October 19th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
I notice that Big Boy has lots of moms. I feel like a panda mom too,(as well as a human mom) thanks to the panda cam. I think it is so funny that Bai Yun is such a confident mom that she flips her little boy over with his little legs sticking up in the air. So adorable. They are such a blessing. I appreciate San Diego Zoo for taking such good care of your pandas. Watching Zhen Zhen in a video, I can see she is a happy girl.
October 19th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
He is so cute when he gets cleaned up by Bai Yun his legs go up in the air! One time he kicked Bai Yun in the nose while she was sleeping!
how cute! This is a story about cleaning time for baby boy. I can’t watch, she flips him all over the place.
Cub
Bai Yun
B:what have you been doing?
C:wanting not to get ceaned up!
B:guess what time it is?
C:Oh, no cleaning time!
B:thats right come here!
C:ahh no way cleaning time.
B:one second i need some bamboo.
C:yeah, cleaning time is over!
B:No way more cleaning!!
C:Ahh why are you fliping me over?
B:because you keep moving.
C:i got to run!
B:your clean now, i will be back to clean you some more.
C:no way see you!
B:ok take your nap:D
October 19th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Momma Bai sure is trying to show His Plumpness how to have fun
October 19th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
#148 Gloria – Thanks so much Gloria. That was a very informative article ( by Suzanne Hall of course! ) and you were right, I needed a tissue! It would seem that Momma Bai did remember her own Mother, Dong Dong, from those scented boards. I was so curious since the Pandas have such an intensive cub rearing process if they would have a scent memory of the “The One Panda”. Hehehe or Momma
October 19th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Mark,
Thanks for the clarification, I wasn’t sure if “break-dancing” was the correct term. In case you participate in the competitions you mention, I hope you caught Baby Boy’s “routine”. He had some pretty cool moves!
Candy C in Des Moines
I often wonder myself how some humans can be unkind to the pure, innocent creatures God has given us to treasure. I think there must be something wrong in the way their brains and hearts work/or don’t work. To me it is the same as “child abuse” or “elder abuse”, or any case where someone hurts those that cannot protect themselves.
Sharon
I can’t believe it–I took the exact same postcard and sent it to myself!! They really are beautiful together, and Bai Yun seems to talk with her beautiful eyes. Enjoy your picture, I know I will!
Tiny,
Aren’t you lucky! I missed seeing the baby standing while drinking, darn it! If you happened to click a postcard, please share it with us. And as far as being our “little man’s” Godmother–I would be greatly honored if I could. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the sentiment!
Hazel,
Please share with us by all means! You won’t spoil our fun, you’ll just be telling us what we have to look forward to!
Danielle NY
I think you are saying that Gao Gao doesn’t like to climb trees; am I correct?
Well Pandaholic friends, time for bed for me! Goodnight and sleep well all!! Kisses and hugs to Bai Yun and Baby Boy
October 20th, 2009 at 12:56 am
wow baby is REALLY active tonight, mom is playing with him and he is hitting and kicking her nose question, so they can see in there at night, like that is a night light on the camera sort of?? sometimes mom will look up, so now baby can see also….?
October 20th, 2009 at 1:11 am
#74 Francis, your letter from Zhen Zhen is priceless! Loved it!
October 20th, 2009 at 2:47 am
#149 Liliarose…The ZA blog on MySpace indicates that Yang Yang’s grandmother is the only giant panda in captivity known to give birth to twins and raise them simultaneously without human intervention. That makes me so proud of pandas!
October 20th, 2009 at 4:28 am
I want to thank the Panda Team for providing all the care, llove, and anything else necessary to keep the cub and his siblings and parents healthy. I would also like to thank the moderators for telling us the stats and answering our questions. The San Diego Zoo has been and always will be a better place than I think it is!
October 20th, 2009 at 5:47 am
I find it interesting that Cubbie is alone at 5 am, but by 6 am Bai is snuggled up with/on top of him. She seems to take him outside in the early evening, but returns him to the warm den for the coolest hours of the night and early AM.
#151, Shirley, I had wistful thoughts on the weaning of Su Lin, ZZ, Mei Lan, and the horrid thought of Xi Lan weaning in Feb 2010, and then cubbie #5 in 2011. I kept telling myself to think about him starting to crawl, not that in about 16 months he will be weaned. I guess my mind keeps thinking that it seems so short a time from when a cub learns to walk and about 15-16 months later they are ready to step out on their own.
Moderator is right. We need to focus on his milestones and big strides in 2009, not what may occur in 2011.
October 20th, 2009 at 6:08 am
# 150 Deb, Thanks for the interpretation of Lun Lun’s intend… It seems than on top of raising cubs, the panda mamas have to train the keepers too!! lol. It is not only the cubs that are all different; mamas have their own way of doing things. I consider that, from the mamas in the US zoos, Bai Yun the best mom and Lun Lun the smartest, she has ways to “speak” with the keepers…
October 20th, 2009 at 6:24 am
It’s 0610 Pst, when i turned on Panda Cam,It looks like little panda is sucklking or feeding am in correct?If so the mother sure seems to be protective when cub is feeding.Are the mothers usally this way in their natural habitat of china?
October 20th, 2009 at 7:06 am
# 148 gloria, Thanks for reminding us about that blog. It would be nice to know if Bai Yun just liked that smell or if she does remember her mother’s odor.
There is an error in the site you gave, it is: http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/27/panda-perfume/
October 20th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Good morning panda-lovers!
Thank you everyone who posted suggested videos to view or blogs to read. I checked out every one and feel they were very worthwhile.
A very special Thank-you to our tireless moderator!
Your suggested readings were right on the mark and answered many things I’ve been wondering about. I particularly enjoyed reading about the verbal communications and body-language employed by our pandas in different situations-very educational!
I must admit, the one where they gave Bai Yun a piece of wood with mommy Dong Dong’s scent on it REALLY choked me up. I know we can not be sure, and I am certainly the last person who KNOWS the facts; but someone would have to give me some pretty strong “proof” to convince me that my heart is wrong in believing Bai recognized Dong’s scent and “reminisced” about her early days.
Sorry dear Moderator, you gave so much, and still I want more Hee! Hee!
Do you know where Bai Yun fits in as far as size goes? She always looked so large to me, until I saw a picture of a mommy bear (I think in China, and I think it might have been Yang Yang). Whoever it was, they looked enormous unless it was just the camera. Can you please tell me the normal “range” if there is one for female pandas?
I find it interesting/curious that Bei Yun started out pregnant with twins both this time and when she carried Mei Sheng. I wonder if the fact that the successful births were males had anything to do with her losing the other fetus.
Thanks in advance Moderator for your answers. I’m sure you would agree with my older sisters who nicknamed me “million and one” when I was a very young child because I always had so many questions!
But there is so much to learn and so little time!! I truly DO appreciate your efforts VERY much. Have a wonderful day!! If I could, I would make you a lovely cup of herbed tea! 
Moderator’s note: See previous post Weighty Matters for a discussion of Bai Yun’s size. And now I’ll fix some herbal tea…
October 20th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Does it seem that the little man is lethargic most of the time or is this what Panda cubs do?
It worries me.
Moderator’s note: Here are some previous posts to ease your mind:
All is Well
The Great Outdoors
Progression
October 20th, 2009 at 8:54 am
The last few days I’ve only had time to quickly check on Cubby, and read the keepers updates. I’ve not had time to read all the posts. And I miss you all!
We leave tomorrow for two weeks for the South Pacific, and will only have internet access for a few days. Last year everytime I checked the cam, there was nobody there. But I’m sure with Cubby, I’ll be able to see at least the cutest thing in the world sleeping.
Take care all, and I’ll check in next week if I can. I will miss you all, and especially having the cam up all day/night will be really, really missed. Take care of those sweet pandas!
October 20th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Just wanted to give a note of praise for the SDZ. Like many other panda-lovers, I am very proud of the fact that everyone at the zoo and the “powers that be” do everything possible to respect the panda’s “natural” way of doing things. Although researchers are constantly learning more about the pandas, there is so much more to learn. Since we don’t know all the reasoning behind why pandas in the wild do what they do, I think it is wonderful that so much attention is given to letting the pandas do things “their way”. Thank you to all the other zoos and facilities that share this viewpoint. God Bless all of you involved in protecting our treasured pandas.
October 20th, 2009 at 9:22 am
# 157 Phyllis, Yes, it is correct, Gao Gao is a down to earth kind of guy, not the kind to swing at the top of the trees or jump from branches to branches. I don’t know if it is because he doesn’t like it or if it is a consequence of his difficult childhood. It seems that he lost his mom when he was still a cub and turned to humans for help. He probably tried to feed himself before resorting to that and for that purpose he must have spent a lot of time on the ground. If I remember correctly they tried to reintroduce him in the wild after bringing back to health but he kept coming back. There is a bit of information about him in the “Meet the Pandas” section, I did not find a more detailed blog on his history, perhaps the moderator can help.
Moderator’s note: See Celebrating Gao Gao
October 20th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Danielle #165–very interesting link. Comment #47 from that blog says that human noses can’t detect some panda scents–which would explain why some people who have been to Wolong and handled cubs say they don’t smell very much (unless they’re wet and/or muddy). Koalas smell a bit like eucalyptus, which is mostly what they eat.
Fonsia #159–Thanks! Full disclosure: one of the other bloggers (was it Margaret?) first heard Miss ZZ say, “I’m a GIANT panda!” She still seems to be very proud of that, and drops it into her conversations frequently.
It was great to see Zhennie this morning working on her ginormous pile of bamboo. Was little dude getting his exam for the week?
Moderator’s note: Yes! Details to follow.
October 20th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Candy C in Des Moines and Phyllis #157
Very well said! There must be something wrong with the brains and hearts of some humans who can be unkind to pure and innocent creatures like pandas. You can see the negative comments and messages of some Chinese bloggers about certain pandas on the panda blog/facebook here in hk (some bloggers who claim to be panda lovers say they want to spank or beat a particular panda because the panda has done something they dislike and they keep posting negative and prejudicial comments on the panda). I feel sick that these people are so mean and cruel to the panda and say something that hurt the panda. Phyllis, I share your view that “To me it is the same as “child abuse” or “elder abuse”, or any case where someone hurts those that cannot protect themselves.”
October 20th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I love watching the little guy and Mom everyday. Can you tell me why the other panda’s don’t interact and play with each other? Watching the little buy is the highlight of my day, I haven’t seen Mom bring cubby outside yet, I’m looking forward to seeing him outside. What a wonderful way to learn about these extraordinary animals. The staff and vets are so gentle with him, he looks quite as ease when they’re examining him other than when you gave him a shot.
Thanks again for sharing him with the world.
Moderator’s note: See posts Howdy and Pandas Play Solitaire.
October 20th, 2009 at 9:56 am
I love “mellow fellows” paws and claws. Are his claws sharp and hard or soft like in a human infant? I enjoy watching Bai Yun being a mommy as much as I enjoy cubbie. Thank you for the education SD Zoo. Good job!
October 20th, 2009 at 10:26 am
# 157 Phyllis, I did find the blog about Gao Gao’s history: “Celebrating Gao Gao” http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/01/19/celebrating-gao-gao/
In that blog, there is a picture of Gao Gao in a tree taken in 2003, so it might be that he thinks that as a father of four, it is not to his standards to climb up the trees any longer, and that he should behave as a gentleman. His love of bamboo which is most of the time on the ground might be another reason for him to stay “grounded”. Anybody with another interpretation please fell free to jump in…
October 20th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Hey pandaholics, if you’d like to visit a Forum where there are lots of screen captures of the cub and his siblings and mother, Google “Hancock wildlife San Diego panda”! The last 65 pages are loaded with images of the cub and Bai Yun from day 1, as well as Zhen Zhen and Su Lin! (This is where I get the links to DoxieMom’s videos as she posts her under the screen name PandaLover!)
San Diego Zoo, you are the best! Thank you for sharing this miracle with us!
October 20th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Wise advice, Moderator. It is important to focus on the milestones of the present and not fret about what won’t happen for months. I did read the archives about weaning ZZ, and it seems like a very thoughtful process with the bears’ best interests in mind. I especially like the idea that Bai Yun controls the process.
The blogs mentioned training time with keepers as a way to increase social stimulation for the newly weaned young bear. I know that zoo bears depend on their keepers, but are born-in-captivity bears ever returned to the “wild” of the reserve in China?
Per our Panda Team: Yes, one bear was released back to the wild, but that reintroduction was not successful and ended badly for the bear in question. Since then, the Chinese have revised their protocol and goals and have been training up new candidates for release. Typically, the idea of releasing young females or pregnant females is thought to be a better method of release than using male bears, as was done in the past.
October 20th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I’m sorry if this question has been answered already, but when the SDZ pandas are taken back to China, do they continue their life in solitude or are they put with other pandas in their age group? How do they adapt to going from living alone to with other pandas?
Thanks so much!
Moderator’s note: Your question will be forwarded to our Panda Team.
October 20th, 2009 at 11:24 am
#178 They live alone in very nice quarters with a good sized bedroom and plenty of outdoor space to be fully alone, if they choose. Their quarters are very impressive. That is the way at Bifengxia. Can’t speak for Chengdu, as I’ve only seen the littler ones there.
The BFX-born pandas live in age groups after they separate from their mothers at around 6 months, but I’ve only observed groups of 1 and 2 year olds. Panda Team, I defer to your wisdom on this for more details.
October 20th, 2009 at 11:34 am
172 Kammy from hk
I am so sorry you have to read such things. You will forgive me if I do not try to find what you are speaking of. What you have told me is enough to make me feel nauseous while I fight the tears at the thought of it. I’m afraid it sounds to me like there are a number of hypocritical “panda-lovers” posting. It sounds to me like you are very capable of offering more compassionate solutions to the panda’s undesirable behavior. From someone who believes in the “power of one”, might I suggest you believe in yourself and respond to these hurtful blogs with loving blogs encouraging people to find “non-violent” ways of dealing with the problem. Point out that “agression brings about more agression” whereas patient understanding will bring about “understanding” on the part of the panda.
I will keep you and the pandas in my prayers.
October 20th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Thanks, Gloria, for the link to the ‘Panda Perfume’ blog post. This past spring, I really began wondering more about whether pandas remember their mother’s scent and can identify them as a relative if they cross paths later in life or come upon a scent mark from their mother. Tai Shan started exhibiting breeding behaviors in the spring and he would scent mark, run around the yard, pace and show a lot of interest in looking in Mei Xiang’s yard (a LOT!). I would tell myself that surely he knew she’s his mom and not a female to be interested in. (I don’t mean that to sound weird and I don’t want to upset anyone by saying that.) I guess no one really knows for sure yet but as humans we all hope that the offspring remember their mother bear. Knowing that Bai Yun was interested in her mother’s scent warms my heart as I imagine her as a cub since we all know her so well as a great mom. I wonder if she was independent and a little bit sassy like sweet Zhen Zhen.
October 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am
# 178 KWest, Actually when Mei Sheng arrived in Wolong, China, he got very much interested in the Chinese “living together” approach and he decided to visit his neighbors by climbing over the wall and a fight ensued. He was later transferred to Bifengxia where he is in a new enclosure, by himself, with many tall trees for him to climb and sleep in, see “Mei Sheng’s New Exhibit” http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/03/20/mei-sheng%e2%80%99s-new-exhibit/.
October 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am
#31 Christie in San Diego
We don’t know much about pandas in the wild, but the information we have suggests that they have a diurnal activity pattern, meaning they are up during the day and sleep at night.
#32 Cheryl
Yes, the cub will keep crying if mom doesn’t respond.
#64 Page
See post, Panda Keeper Questions
#107 Marie
We know that pandas facilitate elimination by licking their cubs “touchie.” Although we are currently collecting data on maternal behavior with other bear species, we have not been able to conclusively document this behavior.
#178 KWest
Generally speaking, pandas are housed solo. This is true for them in the wild and our experiences show us that going solo is not a problem for them. Sometimes, due to space limitations sub-adults are housed together, but by the time they reach sexual maturity (about age 5), they need their own space.
October 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
11:42 am……the thought of our little panda…” I’m going to get up and practice making my muskles stronger…give me a minute…I’m getting up..promise here I go.zzzzzzzzzz ” he is just too much…I think he’s just storing up energy and thoughts. He’ll probably surprise us…get up and move…
October 20th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Noon in California, and Bai Yun just yanked Chubby Cubby out of the den and into the sunlight. Gotta get his vitamin D. It’s such fun watching their activities evolve as he gets older. Less than a month until Name Day now. Can hardly wait.
October 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
What is that thing just outside the den that looks like a toilet? Is it a water bowl? I think they’re in the garden room right now and she is giving him a bath. No big deal. Just wondering.
Moderator’s note: It’s a drinker.
October 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I am always surprized at our chubby cubby. Every time I look at him he is in a position that is new to me. Thats why I keep tuning in..what a great time I have watching the changes from moment to moment of such a beautiful life. I see why you all mention how much you love this site. I was looking at him today and he looked like he was in a knot, I couldn’t figure out heads or tailes.
me
October 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Gloria (#148) — Thank you for reminding me of the blog describing Bai Yun’s reaction to the wood block with her mother’s scent. Little doubt in my mind that she recognized it.
October 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Okay, stupid question of the day: when I send a postcard of Mr. Butterball to my email address, instead of the picture, all I get is a red x. What am I doing wrong?
October 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
In respone to the new protocol for training pandas to be released into the wild. I have read that they are using dogs and training pandas to fight. If I am wrong, PLEASE, correct me on this. I really hope and pray that I am wrong.
Moderator’s note: Your question has been forwarded to our Panda Team.
October 20th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
He has been sleeping for so long today! And,,, I haven’t seen Bai Yun come into the den??
October 20th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Bai Yun knows that she can leave her cub in the zoo den, and he will be safe. Does anyone know how bears in the wild ensure the safety of cubs? What would be a predator to a panda (besides unthinking people).
Moderator’s note: See the post Highly Motivated.
October 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I love the panda! It is so cute!
October 20th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Suzanne Hall,
Thankyou for explaining to me these extroderny bears, Im a science major but only in computers.
October 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
# 189 Virginia Elliott (San Diego), instead of sending the picture as an E-mail you may want to right click on the picture and save it as a picture on your computer. That’s what I am always doing.
October 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Virginia #189–maybe your e-mail security is set up too high so that it is rejecting pictures? Maybe try a screen capture technique, (like Command Shift 4, for a Mac–not sure what it is for Windows or what OS you have.)
October 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Moderator — Thank you for your responses to my questions (#360). If anyone can keep these Beauty Bears from extinction, it is you and others of your ilk who cerefully blend love, intelligence and sensitivity. Many Thanx — C
October 20th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Question: Was the birthing den closed while the cub was smaller or has the camera been moved recently? I don’t recall ever seeing windows until the past few days. I hope I am not boring everyone with my learning process. Thanks everyone. I can hardly wait until the next exam!
Moderator’s note: There are several cameras in place; you’re just getting some views of the bedroom that haven’t been seen in a while. There is no door to the den.
October 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Bai and Chunky were in the sunroom a few minutes ago with the Panda cam capturing. May I ask why the cam was once again focused in an empty den, when mother and baby are still outside? I for one would love to see what they are doing while outside, day and/or night. Just can’t get enough of my pudgy wodge!
October 20th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Virginia #189-my email does the same thing-security setting of not opening a picture automatically in case it’s malicious or nasty. But, at least in my yahoo mail, it attaches the picture…hopefully yours does too…just click on the attachment and follow the instructions to open it.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:04 am
Phyllis (#180)
Thank you Phyllis for your kind advice! It’s so kind of you to keep me and the pandas in your prayers. I also constantly pray that God bless the pandas and that God sends angels to protect the pandas from all slanderous comments and unwarranted criticisms that really hurt the pandas. I’m glad there’re still so many people out there who have a real passion for pandas and who love pandas just the way they are.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:56 am
#32 Cheryl
He will receive a distemper booster and rabies vaccine. We do not put them on heartworm prevention.
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 am
After watching all your video’s of the Panda’s, I then went to uTube and watched video’s of how the Chinese do things, with their Panda’s. I found the birthing place for Panda cubs to be somewhat an unnerving thing to watch. Especially for the birthing mother. She is in a huge cage that looks like a cell and gives birth on hard, cold concrete. She gives birth sitting up with her tail keeping the new cub from hitting the cold concrete. This looks like a very uncomfortable way for the mother to give birth. Watching Bai Yun’s deliveries, she stands up, then squats to give birth, which seems like a more natural position. Something we HUMAN mother’s would probably do, if the hospital gave us what WE wanted.
If the Mother Panda gives birth to twins, the Chinese keepers rush into the enclosure and grab the cub. A twin would not be taken care of by the mother in the wild, so the staff in China retrieves the cub immediately and raise it by hand. The birth of their Panda’s are observed by many of their keepers, just outside her “enclosure.” She gives birth amongst, flashing camera’s, video camera’s and lots of staff.
I believe it was the suggestion of the SDZ, that the Panda researchers in China, switch the cubs every so often to give each cub a chance to be nursed by the mother, instead of being hand-reared totally on Panda formula. I may be wrong, but I believe this is correct.
If any of you are interested in watching how Panda’s are born at the Chinese facility, there are many video’s on uTube. Our Panda’s here in the U.S., get the royal treatment. They are allowed to give birth in the most natural surroundings as possible; (in a den) on a soft bed of bamboo, made by the mother. Just as she would do in the wild.
I truly hope that the day will come when the United States will be allowed to keep some of the Panda’s born here. I know that the U.S. is not their native habitat, but the zoo’s make it as close to natural, as possible. The Panda’s seem to adapt quite nicely to the different climate of San Deigo, versus the harsh winter’s of China.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
The picture here says so much!! I mean that look over the right shoulder is like “eat your hearts out” – and I do. He is so HANDSOME and precious! Just want to squeeze him and make him grunt!!!
October 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
#190 Judy in Texas
We can assure you that this is wrong! Pandas that may be identified to be released into the wild are given the space and resources to learn how to be pandas!