Comments on: Where Are Those Kids? http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:43:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Melissa http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441741 Melissa Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:33:33 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441741 #19 Barbara...December 12, 2008 "New Digs for Pandas," moderator's note on Comment 65 indicates that the adult pandas (Bai and Gao) will be staying on for 5 years while the young pandas born at the zoo go to China at four years of age, per the agreement. Additionally, January 21, 2009 "A Memorable Un-Birthday," moderator's note on Comment 9 says, in reference to a query as to whether Su Lin was staying or leaving, "No plans have been made as yet regarding Su Lin." It is true that the loan agreements for all the zoos detail a point in time at which the cubs will be sent to China, but those terms have not proven to be set in stone, as was the case when Tai Shan was supposed to go to China after his second birthday. SDZ's previous agreement, if I read an old news story correctly, indicated that cubs born at SDZ would be sent to China at three years of age, although they both remained at SDZ until age 4. Things change depending on the circumstances in China and at our zoos. #19 Barbara…December 12, 2008 “New Digs for Pandas,” moderator’s note on Comment 65 indicates that the adult pandas (Bai and Gao) will be staying on for 5 years while the young pandas born at the zoo go to China at four years of age, per the agreement. Additionally, January 21, 2009 “A Memorable Un-Birthday,” moderator’s note on Comment 9 says, in reference to a query as to whether Su Lin was staying or leaving, “No plans have been made as yet regarding Su Lin.” It is true that the loan agreements for all the zoos detail a point in time at which the cubs will be sent to China, but those terms have not proven to be set in stone, as was the case when Tai Shan was supposed to go to China after his second birthday. SDZ’s previous agreement, if I read an old news story correctly, indicated that cubs born at SDZ would be sent to China at three years of age, although they both remained at SDZ until age 4. Things change depending on the circumstances in China and at our zoos.

]]> By: Dianne in Texas http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441246 Dianne in Texas Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:08:35 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441246 Perhaps Anastasia could post a "refresher course" on the speculations of who goes where/when. (Although SDZ may only be allowed to post what they know about SDZ pandas. ) Also about the inner-links in the blood lines. Seems Gao Gao may be the only one whose genes are not linked with any of the other zoos' bears. (But I could be wrong!) Personally, I wish they could all stay forever! It would be nice if China could send over a female for Tai Shan, and a male for Su Lin. ;) Perhaps Anastasia could post a “refresher course” on the speculations of who goes where/when. (Although SDZ may only be allowed to post what they know about SDZ pandas. ) Also about the inner-links in the blood lines. Seems Gao Gao may be the only one whose genes are not linked with any of the other zoos’ bears. (But I could be wrong!) Personally, I wish they could all stay forever! It would be nice if China could send over a female for Tai Shan, and a male for Su Lin. ;)

]]> By: barbara http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441237 barbara Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:51:32 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441237 Melissa #18, under panda high jinx dec 26 no mention of Su lin only that pandas will stay another 5 years Melissa #18, under panda high jinx dec 26 no mention of Su lin only that pandas will stay another 5 years

]]> By: Melissa http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441222 Melissa Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:38:12 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441222 I think what was posted in December or January was something to the effect that "no plans have been made for Su Lin at this time," so it's not really known when she will go to China or if she will go. We can all hope, even if it's not likely that Su will stay. It was a foregone conclusion for a long time that Tai was going to China this year but that's no longer the case. The source of the public speculation about Tai Shan's future in this country began with the head of NZ's Center for Species Survival saying that it's unlikely that Tai will be moved to China this year, maybe not even next year, not because Tai's genes aren't valuable or because he hasn't reached reproductive maturity, but because of the upheaval resulting from the earthquake. Unless Mr. Wildt went out on a limb and spoke out of turn, I'm assuming he knows more than I, so it seems there is more than a good chance that Tai is staying. I'm sure we're all aware that what we hope for may not happen, but there's nothing wrong with hoping as long as it's in the best interest of the species and the individual bears themselves. I think what was posted in December or January was something to the effect that “no plans have been made for Su Lin at this time,” so it’s not really known when she will go to China or if she will go. We can all hope, even if it’s not likely that Su will stay. It was a foregone conclusion for a long time that Tai was going to China this year but that’s no longer the case. The source of the public speculation about Tai Shan’s future in this country began with the head of NZ’s Center for Species Survival saying that it’s unlikely that Tai will be moved to China this year, maybe not even next year, not because Tai’s genes aren’t valuable or because he hasn’t reached reproductive maturity, but because of the upheaval resulting from the earthquake. Unless Mr. Wildt went out on a limb and spoke out of turn, I’m assuming he knows more than I, so it seems there is more than a good chance that Tai is staying. I’m sure we’re all aware that what we hope for may not happen, but there’s nothing wrong with hoping as long as it’s in the best interest of the species and the individual bears themselves.

]]> By: Roberta http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441209 Roberta Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:59:44 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441209 Thanks for all your updates! I'm heart sick to think that Su and Tai can't hook up - I had been wishing for that since both were born. What's the relationship with Mei Lan - if it's on the maternal side, perhaps Yang would be a suitable suitor for Su. Also, what's the scoop on LeLe of Memphis? Maybe he could do the good work with Su. Those poor folks in Memphis have had such disappointment, they would probably be thrilled to participate in a breeding exchange. Keep up your wonderful work. Thanks for all your updates! I’m heart sick to think that Su and Tai can’t hook up – I had been wishing for that since both were born. What’s the relationship with Mei Lan – if it’s on the maternal side, perhaps Yang would be a suitable suitor for Su. Also, what’s the scoop on LeLe of Memphis? Maybe he could do the good work with Su. Those poor folks in Memphis have had such disappointment, they would probably be thrilled to participate in a breeding exchange.

Keep up your wonderful work.

]]> By: barbara http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441202 barbara Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:53:50 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441202 Ann #2, with the new agreement signed at the end of last year the pandas will be here another 5 yrs so that makes an interesting thought as who they would breed Su with. Ann #2, with the new agreement signed at the end of last year the pandas will be here another 5 yrs so that makes an interesting thought as who they would breed Su with.

]]> By: Susan (UK) http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441183 Susan (UK) Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:41:12 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441183 Forgot to add, I just love Su Lin's gorgeous smile. Forgot to add, I just love Su Lin’s gorgeous smile.

]]> By: Susan (UK) http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441182 Susan (UK) Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:40:40 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441182 It would be fantastic if Su Lin could stay and, as it were, 'take over' from her Mum. Like everyone else, I am wondering who would be the most suitable male panda for her. I so hope she can stay and that China would agree to this. In the meantime, go Gao Gao and Bai. It would be fantastic if Su Lin could stay and, as it were, ‘take over’ from her Mum. Like everyone else, I am wondering who would be the most suitable male panda for her. I so hope she can stay and that China would agree to this. In the meantime, go Gao Gao and Bai.

]]> By: Margaret http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441150 Margaret Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:48:14 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441150 Since Su Lin is supposed to go to China this year, I believe the reference to her breeding status was a general comment. I don't think she can breed in the US because there are no available males here. One would have to be brought in from another continent and that has not been publically discussed. However, comments were posted at the end of December/ early January that Su Lin would likely go to China late in the 4th quarter of 2009, or early 2010. Unless there is no space for her there, due to her high genetic value the original plan is likely to be carried out. It has been publically speculated that Tai Shan may not go to China for another year. His sexual maturity is at least that far off, so they can wait to get him to China. Since Su Lin is supposed to go to China this year, I believe the reference to her breeding status was a general comment. I don’t think she can breed in the US because there are no available males here. One would have to be brought in from another continent and that has not been publically discussed. However, comments were posted at the end of December/ early January that Su Lin would likely go to China late in the 4th quarter of 2009, or early 2010. Unless there is no space for her there, due to her high genetic value the original plan is likely to be carried out. It has been publically speculated that Tai Shan may not go to China for another year. His sexual maturity is at least that far off, so they can wait to get him to China.

]]> By: Mary from Brooklyn http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/04/13/where-are-those-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-441138 Mary from Brooklyn Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:06:13 +0000 http://www.sandiegozoo.org/wordpress/?p=4125#comment-441138 Speaking of Gao Gao's genes, did Jennifer say anything about Mei Sheng breeding this year? If I remember correctly, he should be ready this year to spread his valuable DNA. Speaking of Gao Gao’s genes, did Jennifer say anything about Mei Sheng breeding this year? If I remember correctly, he should be ready this year to spread his valuable DNA.

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