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		<title>By: Shacole Powell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-7510</link>
		<dc:creator>Shacole Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many beautiful pandas and y&#039;all have them with y&#039;all. Su Lin is the pretty one. To me they all look the same just a little bit. Well I got to go so keep them clean and safe 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many beautiful pandas and y&#8217;all have them with y&#8217;all. Su Lin is the pretty one. To me they all look the same just a little bit. Well I got to go so keep them clean and safe<br />
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6426</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, Suzanne, thanks so much for your insights and responses on your beautiful pandas.  On a more personal note, I understand that the US has an arrangement with China to send pandas born in this country back to China at 3 or 4 years of age.  Can you tell us the emotional reactions of the panda team on the day when it has to say goodbye to a panda &quot; cub&quot;  it has known since its birth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, Suzanne, thanks so much for your insights and responses on your beautiful pandas.  On a more personal note, I understand that the US has an arrangement with China to send pandas born in this country back to China at 3 or 4 years of age.  Can you tell us the emotional reactions of the panda team on the day when it has to say goodbye to a panda &#8221; cub&#8221;  it has known since its birth?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5842</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The updates are great - thanks so much.  Su Lin&#039;s cousin here in DC, Tai Shan, will soon rival her in tree-climbing skills. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The updates are great &#8211; thanks so much.  Su Lin&#8217;s cousin here in DC, Tai Shan, will soon rival her in tree-climbing skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5814</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the milestone updates!!  I love hearing how Su Lin is growing up.  I don&#039;t get to view the cam often anymore so this is the next best thing.  THANKS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the milestone updates!!  I love hearing how Su Lin is growing up.  I don&#8217;t get to view the cam often anymore so this is the next best thing.  THANKS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Christine (NJ)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5778</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine (NJ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33, Suzanne: The issue of handstand marking is fascinating.  In eight generations of dogs we&#039;ve bred, we have had two males and one female handstand markers.  Genetics definitely play a part with these three, who are each two generations apart in the same line.  It&#039;s especially amazing to see in small dogs, as this degree of foreleg strength and balance aren&#039;t necessarily present in everyone!  Just as you mention about size, Suzanne, all of the dogs in this particular line are shorter in stature than those in other lines.  What seems even more interesting with the bears is whether there might be a connection between the handstand marking and success in natural breeding.   Gao Gao is so very special in his ability to understand &quot; which end is up&quot;  and &quot; get the job done with success&quot;  when it comes to breeding.  Could it be that the handstand marking and natural breeding ability are related, both the result of some higher level of sexual awareness/understanding?  Both behaviors are so rare--and result in such success--that they would seem to be related to some special, &quot; survival-of-the-fittest&quot;  instinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33, Suzanne: The issue of handstand marking is fascinating.  In eight generations of dogs we&#8217;ve bred, we have had two males and one female handstand markers.  Genetics definitely play a part with these three, who are each two generations apart in the same line.  It&#8217;s especially amazing to see in small dogs, as this degree of foreleg strength and balance aren&#8217;t necessarily present in everyone!  Just as you mention about size, Suzanne, all of the dogs in this particular line are shorter in stature than those in other lines.  What seems even more interesting with the bears is whether there might be a connection between the handstand marking and success in natural breeding.   Gao Gao is so very special in his ability to understand &#8221; which end is up&#8221;  and &#8221; get the job done with success&#8221;  when it comes to breeding.  Could it be that the handstand marking and natural breeding ability are related, both the result of some higher level of sexual awareness/understanding?  Both behaviors are so rare&#8211;and result in such success&#8211;that they would seem to be related to some special, &#8221; survival-of-the-fittest&#8221;  instinct.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5775</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margot #30,

a handstand scent mark involves the bear standing on its fore paws and lifting its rear up high to mark against the wall.  Both back paws are off the ground.  There are two forms of this scent mark: the contact mark, in which the animal actually rubs the gland under the tail against the wall, and the non-contact mark, in which the male doesn&#039;t rub the gland but instead urinates on the wall (or tree, etc.) and the urine splashes down the length of the wall.  Most males favor the latter, but Gao Gao is really good at making contact in this position.  

Bernice #32,

You are correct, the bears do have a reason to get their scent up high.  Our research has shown that bears react differently to the same scent depending on how high up it is placed.  There appears to be some important information conveyed in the placement.  As to what exactly it conveys, dominance or strength or intimidating size are the likely possibilities.  Very interesting since one of the most prolific handstand markers I have ever known, Gao Gao, is also one of the smallest adult males I have ever seen.  Either he is trying to pass himself off as something he is not, or he has a healthy sense of self confidence! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margot #30,</p>
<p>a handstand scent mark involves the bear standing on its fore paws and lifting its rear up high to mark against the wall.  Both back paws are off the ground.  There are two forms of this scent mark: the contact mark, in which the animal actually rubs the gland under the tail against the wall, and the non-contact mark, in which the male doesn&#8217;t rub the gland but instead urinates on the wall (or tree, etc.) and the urine splashes down the length of the wall.  Most males favor the latter, but Gao Gao is really good at making contact in this position.  </p>
<p>Bernice #32,</p>
<p>You are correct, the bears do have a reason to get their scent up high.  Our research has shown that bears react differently to the same scent depending on how high up it is placed.  There appears to be some important information conveyed in the placement.  As to what exactly it conveys, dominance or strength or intimidating size are the likely possibilities.  Very interesting since one of the most prolific handstand markers I have ever known, Gao Gao, is also one of the smallest adult males I have ever seen.  Either he is trying to pass himself off as something he is not, or he has a healthy sense of self confidence! <img src='http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bernice</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5771</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzanne, I&#039;ve heard from a documentary on Wolong pandas that male pandas do the handstand position so they can get their scent-marks up high. The reason being, the higher you can scent mark, the larger bear you must be! Does this relate to establishing &#039;authority&#039; and helping ward off other pandas from their territories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne, I&#8217;ve heard from a documentary on Wolong pandas that male pandas do the handstand position so they can get their scent-marks up high. The reason being, the higher you can scent mark, the larger bear you must be! Does this relate to establishing &#8216;authority&#8217; and helping ward off other pandas from their territories?</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5766</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carole #27, 

Yes, we were all quite surprised by Mei Sheng&#039;s hand stand scent marking... we found it hard to believe at first.  One thing that is very interesting is that we have known only one bear in captivity who scent marked in the hand stand position as much or more than does Gao Gao... so maybe there is a strong genetic tendency playing out here.  It certainly can&#039;t be true that Mei Sheng learned this from Gao Gao, since they are never housed together.  Even their howdy gate experiences occurred AFTER Mei Sheng started up with the hand stands.  Perhaps Gao Gao passed along a drive to get one&#039;s scent mark up high!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carole #27, </p>
<p>Yes, we were all quite surprised by Mei Sheng&#8217;s hand stand scent marking&#8230; we found it hard to believe at first.  One thing that is very interesting is that we have known only one bear in captivity who scent marked in the hand stand position as much or more than does Gao Gao&#8230; so maybe there is a strong genetic tendency playing out here.  It certainly can&#8217;t be true that Mei Sheng learned this from Gao Gao, since they are never housed together.  Even their howdy gate experiences occurred AFTER Mei Sheng started up with the hand stands.  Perhaps Gao Gao passed along a drive to get one&#8217;s scent mark up high!</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5765</link>
		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if someone would explain what &quot; handstand&quot;  scent-marking is.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if someone would explain what &#8221; handstand&#8221;  scent-marking is.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2006/03/21/milestones-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5759</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am watching Su Lin up in the tree right now, and boy, is she ever active!  It seems that she could self-entertain up there by playing with the branches around her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am watching Su Lin up in the tree right now, and boy, is she ever active!  It seems that she could self-entertain up there by playing with the branches around her.</p>
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