The weaning process continues at the San Diego Zoo’s Giant Panda Research Station. Things have gone very well for both bears thus far. Mother panda Bai Yun, in particular, is showing us that the time was most certainly right to begin separations. She has been more than adamant in rejecting most of Yun Zi’s attempts to nurse or play. That said, one nursing bout was observed early in the morning on Thursday, just before separation.
For his part, Yun Zi seems largely content during periods of separation. Keepers have noted that, if anything, his behavior appears a little more subdued than usual. Perhaps this is because he realizes that, for the first time, he is without his mother’s protection during the day. This might stimulate a desire to lay low, to avoid drawing attention to himself. This could be a response to the loss of the mother-cub bond; that loss is known to be more strongly felt by offspring than by mothers during and after the weaning process. Or perhaps this is a means of conserving energy on his part.
Last night, time-lapse video of panda Yun Zi was recorded to monitor his transition to the third step of the weaning process, an overnight separation lasting nearly 18 hours. Our youngster had a very good night, considering it was his first overnight separation. When the keepers said good-night to him, he was fast asleep atop the den in his exhibit, a resting place also favored by his father, Gao Gao, and older sister Su Lin. He remained at rest until after 3 a.m.
Interestingly, he got up briefly at that point to grab some bamboo and climb back atop the den to feed. He got hungry and didn’t look for Mom. Instead, he looked for bamboo, just like a sub-adult might do.
After feeding he went back to rest. Just before 5 a.m. he got up and began a bit of restless wandering in his exhibit. He did check the door between his exhibit and Bai Yun’s a few times. He climbed high in his structure and looked around. He went into his bedroom and waited at the door. And he seemed to notice when the keepers entered the facility at about 6 a.m.
His morning activity pattern, with the exception of the gate checks, looks very much like that of any other panda at the facility. It’s common for the bears to anticipate the arrival of the staff, knowing their breakfast will soon be served. Indeed, shortly after their arrival the keepers pulled both mother and offspring into their bedrooms to have their meals separately. This ensured that Yun Zi was getting a full belly without Bai Yun stealing his biscuits. Then the bears were reunited.
The first thing both bears did was move past one another to check and see if the other had left any breakfast behind.
Once given access to each other and the exhibits, the pair engaged in a rowdy play session lasting several minutes. No nursing attempts were seen. And then the bears went their separate ways, Yun Zi to his side for a nap, and Bai Yun to hers for some bamboo.
We have but a few days left of mother-son association, but we are very pleased with how well the two are doing with this process. I am struck by how completely Yun Zi has adopted the new exhibit space as his own. To my recollection none of our cubs has ever felt so totally at home there. Perhaps this is the reason for the very mild response we have seen in him thus far. Is his love of Gao Gao’s former abode the result of the exhibit renovations done a few months ago? It’s hard to say.
In any case, keep rooting for our boy as he moves from “cub” to “sub-adult.” He’s clearly very ready for it!
Suzanne Hall is a senior research technician for the San Diego Zoo Institute for Conservation Research. Read her previous post, Moving Right Along.


What a big boy! Glad it’s going well so far.
Wow..Only afew more days and the little boy will be on his own. I am happy he has progressed so well but am sad that he has to grow up. Thank you again for all the updates. I look forward to reading the blogs from all the keepers.
Karen: Great to see other observers from up north here. We are located on Puget Sound northwest of Seattle and see you are even further north east in Edmonton AB. I have been watching the Giant Pandas for maybe three years now and it is always difficult to see the cubs weaning process and we are also sad to see him have to leave mom. Thanks to the great crew at the Giant Panda station the little cubs are handled with ever loving care.
Yun Zi is well on his way to becoming an independent bear. Kind of bittersweet, though, as we would all like him to stay young and in the States. I cried so hard when Su Lin and Zhen Zhen left us, that I can’t even fathom our baby boy ever leaving.
What a boy!. Yun Zi may be the first youngster that I will NOT shed a tear for during the weaning stage. Thank You Yun Zi. It is very hard to explain what is happening to others at work. He will get a ‘air kiss’ from me when I see him. He is such a good boy!
Thank you to all the staff also for being there for him when he needs you.
Did I observe Yun Zi being given a reward by the keepers when he re-entered the exhibit aroun 12.00 today. What is he given?
Thanks for all the posting re his weaning. As a first timer I find it most interesting.
When will the final separation take place and will he remain in the same enclosure? Sorry for all the questions
Yunnie is my first cub to watch from cubbiehood to subadult.. All the posts have been every interesting and I’ve learned alot about Pandas… I’m looking forward to reading about Yunnie’s hearing tests and whatever else is in store for him!!
Yun Zi is our little cub-adult!
Seems a shame to have to move Yunior to the back as he seems to love his dad’s area. I know it has to be done for the whole mating season thing but perhaps the reason he’s adjusting so well is as you say because of the wonderful changes to Gao’s area. Lots of climbing places for a young cub to climb and nap
Glad to hear everything is going well for Yun Zi. He is such a big boy. He is clearly very ready for his own space. Thanks to all the keepers at SDZ in taking care of the Pandas and making sure all goes well with Yun Zi and Bai Yun. Must not forget dad Gao Gao.
Look quick–Mr. Gao Gao is wandering around his out-door yard. It seems to some that he does nothing but sit in the Bedroom eating….Perhaps one of you will tell him the Keepers have had a hard day, and will give him his dinner A. P. S. P.
Love Grammmie
Suzanne: Thanks so much for this wonderful account of Yun Zi’s progress. It does seem amazing that he is taking it so much in stride — it’s giving us all a BIG sigh of relief. I’m sure it’s especially gratifying to the Panda Team. Nice work, gang!
Yun Zi is doing such a good job with the seperation process! I am impressed with how well he’s doing.
Those evening, very early morning routines you mention are clearly routines I have noticed from my CT time difference/”getting ready for work” moments on the cam. Yun has such a bio-clock established. (Though last night nothing could be seen-black.) He also seems so oblivious to the 100′s of people who stroll along the path every day. Knowing all this, I am ready to say Yunnie is ready…and may he bask in the warmth of all the love around him. I am reaching for a happy kleenex, now.
Thank you for all the articles leading up to the permanent separation. Don’t remember that happening like this before. It really helps!
Moderator: What is a sub-adult?
Moderator’s note: In this case, a panda that is old enough to be on its own, but not fully mature.
I loved this remark, Suzanne: “The first thing both bears did was move past one another to check and see if the other had left any breakfast behind.” My first thought was, “As usual, clearly food driven!” LOL!!!
Yun Zi is “clearly, very ready”, but are we? The answer is a resounding yes as the SDZ staff has ensured that Yun Zi and Bai are okay throughout this process. I’m so proud of Yun Zi, Bai Yun and the Panda Team ~ everyone’s done such an impressive job raising this “calm” and “mellow” cubbie.
I captured the play bout in the pine shavings this morning, before the Zoo opened so there were no visitors blocking the view on Panda Cam. As a contrast, I included some footage of Yun Zi and Bai playing in the Classroom (North) exhibit about a year ago ~ Yun Zi had just been introduced to the pine shavings
If for some reason you don’t want to watch that part, skip forward to about 4:50 and you’ll see today’s entire play session … a memorable one I think.
Yun Zi and Bai, Sawdust Play, Then and Now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHilrIWceDQ
Oh, DoxieMom — what can I say? So precious yet so poignant. I had a good cry watching this. Thanks for sharing…
What a treat this video is, if a bit bittersweet. Both Bai and Yun seemed to be really enjoying themselves, both times. Thanks.
At the end he seemed like he was thinking “I wish she would come back” so precious!!
Thank you Suzanne for this nice account of Yun Zi’s progress. It speaks volumes about the approach and knowledge of the SDZ panda team. Congratulation to our Super Mom Bai Yun and her very cleaver and grown up son as well of course.
As we see Bai Yun’ latest son starting a new phase of his life, it is quite ironic that one of Bai Yun’s first grandson is getting closer to make Bai Yun a great-grandmother!!
Tuan Tuan, who was called Hua Ling at birth, and his twin brother Mei Ling, are Hua Mei’s first twin cubs, they were born on September 1, 2004. Tuan Tuan is living at the Taipei Zoo in Taiwan with his partner Yuan Yuan. Their keepers are looking for the first signs of estrus!! blog(dot)sina(dot)com(dot)cn/s/blog_6a7c47100100p4xr.html
Amazing! I hope it turns out well. It would be cool if Bai Yun became a great grandmother.
There are some amazing reproductive genes in that gene pool!
I certainly hope so; it’s what we’ve all been waiting for.
Is there somebody out there willing to notify both links below of our current cam numbers??? I tried but could not get my computer to allow me access. Daniel has asked in the past that if we notice incorrect numbers/names to please let him know so people will know for sure whom they are watching. According to the numbers posted on PANDAPAWS Mr. Gao Gao is in two places at once. He had a good strong walk this afternoon, but I do not think it was THAT good. Thank you very much.
Also thank you to the Keeper/Staff Member/Meercat for catching the great movements of our Gao Gao this afternoon.
I, too, am happy that Master Gao Yun Zi is adapting to his transitional time. Does everybody have a gift ready for his Barmitza????? Pandas support all Spirituallity as long as it hurts no one…………..Love Grammmie
www (dot) pandasliveon (dot) com/
www (dot) pandapaws (dot) info/PandaCams.html
Just remember to put real dots in place of the word (dot) and take out any spaces so the links will work.
I also did a post on my blog about Yun Zi’s weaning.
The post on Pandas Live On was really good. Thanks for link Grammmie!
Yunior got a nice write up at/near the bottom of the page in the “PANDAS LIVE ON” blog. It is well worth reading.
Instructions for “fixing” the the link is in my post from a few minutes ago.
Love Grammmie www (dot) pandasliveon (dot) com/
Food, ever the l eveling thought! Me too buckets of tears for the girls. Our loss felt so strongly, and Yunnie, waiting at th door? He loves his keepers! His mama sent him a message. My space, my biscuits! Get your own! Soon all the treats will be his and he wont have to stand on his head to scent the loss.He was always so disappointed when they were gone. He can play with his water toy all day. Happiness is….
Moderator, what day did Yun Zi’s weaning start?
Moderator’s note: January 27.
Thanks Moderator! I was missing that much of his weaning?! I haven’t checked into the panda cam in a week! AHHHH!!!!
Wow, I didn’t even notice that the weaning had started. I did notice that Yunior is alone a lot more often now. It’s kind of sad.
Thank you Suzanne, I’m always impressed with the way SDZ handles the panda things so smooth…so professional…. ^__^
Ah Ping, “Hey! Yun boy, I sneaked a peek on you the other day, when you play with Auntie Bai. I think your keeper-nannys must get a hard time wipe off all the dirt on your back, eh? Be easy on them!!!”
This is now my third cub that I have observed from birth to weaning and this is always the most difficult to watch the cub separating from mom, especially after their recent playfulness and antics with each other … but great job on your part, crew of the GPRS!!
Thank you Doxiemom for putting this together. As I watch, the first time in the
shaving, You could see the love and caring that Bai yun had for her baby boy.
This one in this year, it was like she was saying goodby my son, you will grow
up to be a fine dad someday and you will always be in my heart. God speed my
son and enjoy your new life. As i am writing this I have tears coming down my face and what a beautiful 18 months these two panda have givin me.
Thank you again
lu
What a big boy…..so proud of him!!! Will all three Pandas be on exhibit when many of us faithful fans arrive the weekend of March 26th for the Panda Convention? Come join our group…..we will have a special hour before the zoo opens on Sat. to view the Pandas. Check the Panda-fandom
Facebook page for more details or email me for an invitation to be emailed back to you with details and costs. janank@pacbell.net
Moderator’s note: The Panda Team can’t say for sure, as there are many variables, especially as we approach panda breeding season.
Have there been any studies done at what age a cub separates from the mother in the wild?
Moderator’s note: Our panda researcher Suzanne Hall offers an excellent overview of wild pandas and the weaning process in her post Weaning Zhen Zhen: And So It Begins.
2:20ish am SDZ time- Mr. Wide Awake is meandering around, practicing his now famous yoga moves on a tree limb to the left- now way up on the deadwood playscape- calm, cool, collected. I am sure Bai is having some very quiet, sweet dreams.
3:15 am GPS-atop the Keebler House- munch on, Yunnie!
Can’t help it – tears……still.
Not sure if it’s possible but I would love to see comparison pictures of Yun Zi, Gao Gao and Bai Yun would love to see who he resembles the most.
I’d like to see that!
When I see Yunior and Bai together, I can see the resemblance, but I wonder about his resemblance to Gao.
Yunior up a tree! Has he ever fallen off of a tree or a climbing structure? Or has he always been this stable?
The cub who never wanted to leave the den is now embarking on his own. What a joy it’s been to watch him grow. Bai Yun has done another great job raising cub #5. And the SDZ has shared all the ups and downs with us panda lovers. THANK YOU from the bottom of our black and white hearts.
One of my favorite Yun Zi moment…during one of the early exams videotaped when he BARKED at those in attendance showing a bit of feistiness. I will always remember what a cute lil bear he is and was.
That is one of my favorites too… Every once in a while I go back and watch the Yunnie exams. Remember when he would only “turn right”?
I love that lil cubbie bark, too, and the keeper going, “Dang.” LOL.
I do that, too, Dianna. Love those videos. So precious.
A short poem for Yunnie…
Our panda boy atop the tree
Sways to and fro in the breeze
In sleep he looks so calm and free
His pandafans to please.
His keepers come to give him food
Down he climbs with glee
He eats his fill — it tastes so good
Then climbs back up the tree.
Very Nice!
Lovely, Deborah!
Wasn’t it due to the fact he was given a sharpie and therefore it was an ouchie for him? I remember Bai banged hard on the door to try to get to her boy when she heard him.
momma and son napping together…. sigh. precious few moments left.
love, love and love you both so.
Hopefully the wonderful Doxie got this moment recorded.
At the moment Bai is with Yunnie – great to see them together. I guess they have their moments.
…now little cloud cuddling up to momma’s big fluffy butt, snuggle, snuggle…she doesn’t have a clue…. or maybe she does and just enjoying the closeness of it all…
oxo
may we get a better picture, please? they are now laying together next to the pond….
Annette Yuen has posted some wonderful pictures of her trip to BiFengXia over the Christmas holidays. I think Chet posted a link to some of them earlier, but now Annette has posted several sets. There are pix of ZZ, Su Lin, Mei Sheng, Hua Mei, Fu Long, Tai Shan, and lots of other fabulous pandas. Here is a link to one of the albums:
https://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=1759638344988&id=1059903416&aid=97431
Be sure to look through some of her other albums too!
Pandakeepers, I am NO expert on Panda’s and all that is involved except what I have learned from here. My question(‘s) is this, if the first two steps in the weaning process were actually going that well, then why when you get to the third step would you allow Bai and Yunnie to interact with each other for the past couple of days? In my humble opinion, tonight it looks like Yun Zi is stressed out and very restless. If they were doing ok being apart and going to their own exhibit and staying there most of the time by themselves, it would make sense (at least to me) to just keep that going and even do the overnight and if they both do “very well” that way then just keep the door shut. Wouldn’t letting Bai and Yun Zi interact confuse him somewhat, give the wrong signal? I do totally miss the mom and son play, but if this has to happen, and it does, then why not make it easier on Yun Zi since he is fairing well, until tonight? I realize all sub adult pandas fair differently and may need that mother bond, but Yun Zi seems to be the “different” one. Like I said, not an expert like you all there, just confused and curious. Thank you for listening/reading.
Hi Debbie,
They were interacting with each other in the previous two steps as well. In fact, they had more time together. Our weaning procedure is a stepwise progression of time spent apart from one another. There is a lot of data in the literature for other species that such a method is less stressful for the offspring than a cold-turkey approach. Of course, there is no such information in the literature for pandas… yet.
It is very common for the last two steps to be difficult for the cub. We are monitoring this and taking note of the changes we see, using that information to make decisions throughout the process.
In the end, we are guided by the bears’ responses and the scientific literature.
Suzanne, thank you for the reply. I sincerely trust you all know what is best, and will keep up with the updates and info. Have a wonderful day
It appears Lin Ping is now weaned (finally) from her mother and she has been getting quite a bit of attention from her keepers this evening (morning). That is great news! Momma LH is getting a well deserved break.
Soon her not-so-little cousin Yun Zi will be solo too. So happy for the 2 young cubs. All is good in pandaland
If YunZi gets high enough on his tree could he see Bai in the other enclosure?
This morning early he was on cam 3 and I wondered if he could see her.
In keeping up with some of other other “new” cubbies, I watched a video yesterday from the Vienna Zoo of Fu Hu. It was called “How to weigh a Panda”. It’s really worth watching. It was cute how the short keeper was getting snuggles in when she was holding him. If anyone checks it out, look at Fu’s tail. It appears that there is a long tuft of hair and I think he also has a black spot. I don’t think this is the video mentioned by Danielle in the previous blog.. I accessed this one via Panda News website.
DoxieMom posted a really cute video of Lun mopping the floor of her exhibit with Wee Lan…. Poor little fella….
Here are the links to the videos:
Fu Hu auf der Waage.MP4 (Fu Hu on the scale)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3VqPqY0eSw
02-08-2011 Atlanta Cubbie moonlights as Floor Mop
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pandalover19/5429224068/
There are videos of Lun carrying poor little Mei Lan around the same way. Wonder what she’s trying to teach them?
It seems that Sunday was play day for Bai Yun!! “02-06-2011 Bai Having a Ball on Sunday” http://www.flickr.com/photos/pandalover19/5431157288/
And this was confirmed by a series of pictures “Bai Yun plays in the pine shavings” by Rita Petita http://www.flickr.com/photos/ritapetita/sets/72157626004540174/with/5431285812/
Congrats SDZ for having a successful weaning process (so far…). We can now officially say Yun Zi is a big boy!! I can’t believe he is finally, practically an adult!!
Peace, Love and Pandas CIAO!
Annie Panda